Katsidis - How can he Improve and where does he go from here ?

Peterp · 03-25-2008, 05:08 AM

At lower levels of combat sports, there is no doubt that fitness and intelligent pressure wins most fights. You go to any local fight night and the fights are won by the guy who throws the most leather without being reckless.

Evasion and Countering skills at the level that Casamayor showed against Katsidis don't exactly grow on trees and Casamayor couldn't keep it up every round. Mayweather's performance against Hatton is the only one in recent history which comes to mind.

So i do think it would be a mistake for Mike to alter his style too much. He does have to add a few more dimensions to his game though. His headmovement isn't natural, he needs to work on that. He needs to use his jab more to come in and he needs to be able to change things up so he isn't always coming in in a straight line.

as to what's next, it's always tough working your way back it. He needs a nice made to order opponent next who will stand in front of him

daz52 · 03-25-2008, 05:42 AM

Not much as he has to keep his swarming style... I think use his effective jab more and stop the amateurish running/jumping in style... Other than that i think hes good

Bentchassis · 03-25-2008, 05:49 AM

Kat is a hard one because his weaknesses can become his strengths depending on the style of his opponent. For instance, during the middle rounds, Casa's main strength, the counter, was not as effective because he was so defensively minded for long periods. Kat puts a spin into a conventional/technical style of opponent, as he may seem wild and reckless but he's actually controlling the fight as long as he gets away with it.
I think Kat's exposed against an elite fighter because he's way to open, he's heads constantly available for the taking and with a skilful and powerful opponent he'll get picked off and KOed at some point. Basically he doesnt get away with poor hand and body positioning.
There's no doubt he could make improvements with his jab and not being so predictable, etc, but he'll always be a popular fighter to watch despite his flaws.

robpalmer135 · 03-25-2008, 06:07 AM

He should learn teh art of defence, i love kartsidis but he will come unstuck every time he meets a decent boxer with a decent chin

wes2412 · 03-25-2008, 10:25 PM

He needs more discipline in the ring. He was knocked down three times against Casa and every time he shot back up. He should have waited for the 8 count, especially for the last KD. He needs to tone down his reckless style but maintain his intensity and pressure and he can compete with the big boys.

pecks · 03-25-2008, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by wes2412

He needs more discipline in the ring. He was knocked down three times against Casa and every time he shot back up. He should have waited for the 8 count, especially for the last KD. He needs to tone down his reckless style but maintain his intensity and pressure and he can compete with the big boys.

Yes. I said this after the Earl fight. He jumped straight back up then, and nearly got his legs tangled up and could have easily fell down again, and had that have happened, he could have lost there and then.

teke · 03-25-2008, 11:25 PM

Give him to Rooney, he is the best example of a fighter today that could benefit from Tyson style of fighting.

Dr Gonzo · 03-26-2008, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by teke

Give him to Rooney, he is the best example of a fighter today that could benefit from Tyson style of fighting.

rooney would be great if he could put down the vodka bottle

if only cus were alive

WhataRock · 03-26-2008, 01:06 AM

Katsidas wont be around long but it will be a fun period of time.

Not the next Gatti but I think keeping his style the way it is will be the best thing for his career.

PIPO23 · 03-26-2008, 03:45 AM

One thing I noticed is Kat doesn't jab. When he opens up he throws wide punches, dangerous because Casa can fire straight punches down he middle.Kat also drops his right and je doesn't bring it back quick enough to block after firing the big right.Casa can get you if you're open for it and let me tell you the right side of his face was open.Southpaw best punch the left, Kat was eating alot jabs and the lefts.A bit of head movement. Or tuck his chin. Just my two cents.

pecks · 03-26-2008, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by WhataRock

Katsidas wont be around long but it will be a fun period of time.

Not the next Gatti but I think keeping his style the way it is will be the best thing for his career.

If he doesn't learn from his mistakes, then his time in the sun could very well be shortly lived. I can't see him turning down any fights, so he'll need to sharpen up a bit to stay in the limelight.

It'll definitely be a fun period though. I do have some hope though that he can improve on his stocks and stick around.

theunderdog · 03-26-2008, 05:19 AM

he should learn to control his agresiveness. it is obvious that he is over eager sometimes. look at the way he started against casamayor. he jumped in and got knocked down twice.

he should also learn how to protect himself. it is obvious that he cuts easily and this is more reason to sharpen his defense. he should go back to aussie. take an easy fight or two. then take a step up in competition. maybe a julio diaz, or even a ranee ganoy.

PorkChopExpress · 03-26-2008, 07:34 AM

Discipline. And controling his nerves. He came out shaky and too eager... got sparked twice. Once he settled in, he swarmed, pressured, hurt and at some points even out boxed Casa... then he came out in the tenth all reckless and edgy again. Whether he thought it was worth the risk, got shaky again or simply thought Casa was more worse for wear than he actually was, who knows... either way, he should have fought like he did from rd 4 onwards until the end of the fight and only gone for stoppage mid round after landing something solid in that round...

The experience he got last weekend will surely go along way to improving him. Hopefully he gained more than he lost from that night.

shawn1262231 · 03-26-2008, 08:30 AM

He needs to pick his punches better, even with his flaws and being knocked down twice he would've knocked out Casamayor in the middle rounds if he picked his shots better. And some headmovent wouldn't hurt.

ashley · 03-26-2008, 09:16 AM

I just think he needs a fight plan that goes the distance and if he gets the KO then fine...but show a little more patience I guess....boxing is a game of inches and rocky almost KO'ed Joel 2 seconds before rocky went down.

03-25-2008, 05:08 AM	#1
Peterp Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 469 vCash: 1000	Katsidis - How can he Improve and where does he go from here ? At lower levels of combat sports, there is no doubt that fitness and intelligent pressure wins most fights. You go to any local fight night and the fights are won by the guy who throws the most leather without being reckless. Evasion and Countering skills at the level that Casamayor showed against Katsidis don't exactly grow on trees and Casamayor couldn't keep it up every round. Mayweather's performance against Hatton is the only one in recent history which comes to mind. So i do think it would be a mistake for Mike to alter his style too much. He does have to add a few more dimensions to his game though. His headmovement isn't natural, he needs to work on that. He needs to use his jab more to come in and he needs to be able to change things up so he isn't always coming in in a straight line. as to what's next, it's always tough working your way back it. He needs a nice made to order opponent next who will stand in front of him
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03-25-2008, 05:42 AM	#2
daz52 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,962 vCash: 1195	Re: Katsidis - How can he Improve and where does he go from here ? Not much as he has to keep his swarming style... I think use his effective jab more and stop the amateurish running/jumping in style... Other than that i think hes good
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03-25-2008, 05:49 AM	#3
Bentchassis Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 752 vCash: 1000	Re: Katsidis - How can he Improve and where does he go from here ? Kat is a hard one because his weaknesses can become his strengths depending on the style of his opponent. For instance, during the middle rounds, Casa's main strength, the counter, was not as effective because he was so defensively minded for long periods. Kat puts a spin into a conventional/technical style of opponent, as he may seem wild and reckless but he's actually controlling the fight as long as he gets away with it. I think Kat's exposed against an elite fighter because he's way to open, he's heads constantly available for the taking and with a skilful and powerful opponent he'll get picked off and KOed at some point. Basically he doesnt get away with poor hand and body positioning. There's no doubt he could make improvements with his jab and not being so predictable, etc, but he'll always be a popular fighter to watch despite his flaws.
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03-25-2008, 06:07 AM	#4
robpalmer135 Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: North London Posts: 14,184 vCash: 75	Re: Katsidis - How can he Improve and where does he go from here ? He should learn teh art of defence, i love kartsidis but he will come unstuck every time he meets a decent boxer with a decent chin
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03-25-2008, 10:25 PM	#5
wes2412 newbie Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 10 vCash: 1000	Re: Katsidis - How can he Improve and where does he go from here ? He needs more discipline in the ring. He was knocked down three times against Casa and every time he shot back up. He should have waited for the 8 count, especially for the last KD. He needs to tone down his reckless style but maintain his intensity and pressure and he can compete with the big boys.
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03-25-2008, 11:25 PM	#7
teke Titans Time !!! East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Bulldogs v Titans 2013 GF Posts: 7,735 vCash: 2611	Re: Katsidis - How can he Improve and where does he go from here ? Give him to Rooney, he is the best example of a fighter today that could benefit from Tyson style of fighting.
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03-26-2008, 01:06 AM	#9
WhataRock Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Sydney Posts: 11,619 vCash: 166	Re: Katsidis - How can he Improve and where does he go from here ? Katsidas wont be around long but it will be a fun period of time. Not the next Gatti but I think keeping his style the way it is will be the best thing for his career.
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03-26-2008, 03:45 AM	#10
PIPO23 Champion East Side Guru Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sydney, OZ. Posts: 7,101 vCash: 1000	Re: Katsidis - How can he Improve and where does he go from here ? One thing I noticed is Kat doesn't jab. When he opens up he throws wide punches, dangerous because Casa can fire straight punches down he middle.Kat also drops his right and je doesn't bring it back quick enough to block after firing the big right.Casa can get you if you're open for it and let me tell you the right side of his face was open.Southpaw best punch the left, Kat was eating alot jabs and the lefts.A bit of head movement. Or tuck his chin. Just my two cents.
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03-26-2008, 05:19 AM	#12
theunderdog Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines Posts: 3,906 vCash: 75	Re: Katsidis - How can he Improve and where does he go from here ? he should learn to control his agresiveness. it is obvious that he is over eager sometimes. look at the way he started against casamayor. he jumped in and got knocked down twice. he should also learn how to protect himself. it is obvious that he cuts easily and this is more reason to sharpen his defense. he should go back to aussie. take an easy fight or two. then take a step up in competition. maybe a julio diaz, or even a ranee ganoy.
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03-26-2008, 07:34 AM	#13
PorkChopExpress Champion of the Universe ESB Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Sydney Posts: 1,347 vCash: 1000	Re: Katsidis - How can he Improve and where does he go from here ? Discipline. And controling his nerves. He came out shaky and too eager... got sparked twice. Once he settled in, he swarmed, pressured, hurt and at some points even out boxed Casa... then he came out in the tenth all reckless and edgy again. Whether he thought it was worth the risk, got shaky again or simply thought Casa was more worse for wear than he actually was, who knows... either way, he should have fought like he did from rd 4 onwards until the end of the fight and only gone for stoppage mid round after landing something solid in that round... The experience he got last weekend will surely go along way to improving him. Hopefully he gained more than he lost from that night.
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03-26-2008, 08:30 AM	#14
shawn1262231 newbie Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 42 vCash: 1000	Re: Katsidis - How can he Improve and where does he go from here ? He needs to pick his punches better, even with his flaws and being knocked down twice he would've knocked out Casamayor in the middle rounds if he picked his shots better. And some headmovent wouldn't hurt.
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03-26-2008, 09:16 AM	#15
ashley Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: "Mr 3 time" Posts: 12,101 vCash: 1000	Re: Katsidis - How can he Improve and where does he go from here ? I just think he needs a fight plan that goes the distance and if he gets the KO then fine...but show a little more patience I guess....boxing is a game of inches and rocky almost KO'ed Joel 2 seconds before rocky went down.
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