Ortiz Evans II

scurlaruntings · 07-13-2007, 07:25 PM

Does anyone really even care about this?

Dostoevsky · 07-13-2007, 07:45 PM

No and judging by the reaction of the crowd the vast majority of the fans don't either.

Tito is finished, and Evans is probably too green at the moment. Neither fight did anything to win their first fight.

scurlaruntings · 07-13-2007, 08:00 PM

Hmm im not sure his even green.His been nothing more than TUF hype imo.He`d be a contender at 185 but at 205 his a nobody.His striking is weak his submissions non existent but his wrestling is top notch.BUT as a guy who`s a relatively small light heavy who doesnt possess either 2 of the major strengths in MMA (striking and submissions) i fail to see what the big deal is with him.His done nothing to show me that his at least even a contender at 205 on the world scene let alone the UFC.In a rematch Tito wins by a hairs breath but alas Tito is another classic wrestler.We here again and again how his working on his striking, his subs are non existant aswell and his famed wrestling seems to be a thing of the past.Oh well..

achillesthegreat · 07-13-2007, 08:02 PM

I do. A draw isn't conclusive. People hyped Evans up alot. He looked small and the inferior fighter. However it is determined that Tito did cheat and had he not he may have been taken down, subbed etc

Tito is a good fighter but deserves his respect. I want to see him get the W.

scurlaruntings · 07-13-2007, 08:04 PM

Tito WAS a good fighter that NEVER evolved.His never had any decent subs and his striking standing up is not good enough to compete with ANY of the big names at 205.Great fighters evolve.Good fighters just do what there good at.A for being inconclusive, in the grand scheme of 205 this fight means a whopping zilch.

jimmie · 07-13-2007, 10:24 PM

I care about it greatly if its on free TV.

boxingcar · 07-13-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by scurlaruntings

Does anyone really even care about this?

No. I think they should move on. The first fight was a total mess.

achillesthegreat · 07-14-2007, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by scurlaruntings

Tito WAS a good fighter that NEVER evolved.His never had any decent subs and his striking standing up is not good enough to compete with ANY of the big names at 205.Great fighters evolve.Good fighters just do what there good at.A for being inconclusive, in the grand scheme of 205 this fight means a whopping zilch.

I don't see how Tito WAS a good fighter when he just showed himself superior to a 15-0 prospect.

What you are saying is he was never a complete fighter. So? His record speaks for itself.

Why do you say it means nothing at 205? It's a cross roads 5. Someone has to rebuild and someone goes up a step. Both are still at the cross roads with a draw.

I'm suprised you MMA fans are happy with this inconclusive draw.

Dostoevsky · 07-14-2007, 08:13 AM

No we're not happy, because the fight was crap and we don't want to see another crap one.

07-14-2007, 08:59 AM

The fight did not come off the way it was meant to so they should go onto new opponents. enjoy watching tito, he can be dick one minute then great the next but he has had a few exciting fights, put him with a few more up and comers or an ex pride guy and we may get entertainment.

Evans has talent but not enough to go to the top at 205. At 185 he may do ok but he needs good opposition.It is make or break him time and he needs a better performance because the last fight was shocking.

Who do you thinkwould be good next opponents for them? Even if you do not care or rate them they will be forced on us again so pick a fight.

Tko4 · 07-14-2007, 01:33 PM

If the UFC paid me $40 dollars to watch it...I still wouldn't.

achillesthegreat · 07-14-2007, 02:19 PM

I don't think it was that bad. Just wasn't a barnburner, it happens.

ufoalf · 07-14-2007, 02:40 PM

I dont think 2nd one is gona be as bad. Evans really shocked me with his passiveness. After seeing the fight im confident that he can win this fight easily.

Beebs · 07-14-2007, 04:12 PM

Id like to see a conclusive ending to the fight, although really I just want to see Rashad against a guy at Titos level, it doesn't neccesarily have to be Tito, just want to get a better assesment of Rashad, I think he's gonna bounce back and continue to show the promise he was before this. Jason Lambert is a very very tough fighter, alot of people forget how easily Rashad tore through him.

achillesthegreat · 07-15-2007, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ufoalf

I dont think 2nd one is gona be as bad. Evans really shocked me with his passiveness. After seeing the fight im confident that he can win this fight easily.

Rashad was too passive. No doubt about that.

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Dostoevsky Hardcore......to the max! East Side Guru Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Kingdom of Fife, Scotland. Posts: 7,734 vCash: 1000	Re: Ortiz Evans II No and judging by the reaction of the crowd the vast majority of the fans don't either. Tito is finished, and Evans is probably too green at the moment. Neither fight did anything to win their first fight.
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07-13-2007, 08:00 PM	#3
scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: By any means necessary Posts: 43,293 vCash: 1000	Re: Ortiz Evans II Hmm im not sure his even green.His been nothing more than TUF hype imo.He`d be a contender at 185 but at 205 his a nobody.His striking is weak his submissions non existent but his wrestling is top notch.BUT as a guy who`s a relatively small light heavy who doesnt possess either 2 of the major strengths in MMA (striking and submissions) i fail to see what the big deal is with him.His done nothing to show me that his at least even a contender at 205 on the world scene let alone the UFC.In a rematch Tito wins by a hairs breath but alas Tito is another classic wrestler.We here again and again how his working on his striking, his subs are non existant aswell and his famed wrestling seems to be a thing of the past.Oh well..
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07-13-2007, 08:02 PM	#4
achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,206 vCash: 1000	Re: Ortiz Evans II I do. A draw isn't conclusive. People hyped Evans up alot. He looked small and the inferior fighter. However it is determined that Tito did cheat and had he not he may have been taken down, subbed etc Tito is a good fighter but deserves his respect. I want to see him get the W.
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07-13-2007, 08:04 PM	#5
scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: By any means necessary Posts: 43,293 vCash: 1000	Re: Ortiz Evans II Tito WAS a good fighter that NEVER evolved.His never had any decent subs and his striking standing up is not good enough to compete with ANY of the big names at 205.Great fighters evolve.Good fighters just do what there good at.A for being inconclusive, in the grand scheme of 205 this fight means a whopping zilch.
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07-13-2007, 10:24 PM	#6
jimmie P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 15,233 vCash: 1000	Re: Ortiz Evans II I care about it greatly if its on free TV.
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07-14-2007, 08:13 AM	#9
Dostoevsky Hardcore......to the max! East Side Guru Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Kingdom of Fife, Scotland. Posts: 7,734 vCash: 1000	Re: Ortiz Evans II No we're not happy, because the fight was crap and we don't want to see another crap one.
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07-14-2007, 08:59 AM	#10
dwilson Guest Posts: n/a vCash:	Re: Ortiz Evans II The fight did not come off the way it was meant to so they should go onto new opponents. enjoy watching tito, he can be dick one minute then great the next but he has had a few exciting fights, put him with a few more up and comers or an ex pride guy and we may get entertainment. Evans has talent but not enough to go to the top at 205. At 185 he may do ok but he needs good opposition.It is make or break him time and he needs a better performance because the last fight was shocking. Who do you thinkwould be good next opponents for them? Even if you do not care or rate them they will be forced on us again so pick a fight.
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07-14-2007, 01:33 PM	#11
Tko4 Left high kick ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NY Posts: 3,010 vCash: 1000	Re: Ortiz Evans II If the UFC paid me $40 dollars to watch it...I still wouldn't.
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07-14-2007, 02:19 PM	#12
achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,206 vCash: 1000	Re: Ortiz Evans II I don't think it was that bad. Just wasn't a barnburner, it happens.
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07-14-2007, 02:40 PM	#13
ufoalf Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 5,690 vCash: 1550	Re: Ortiz Evans II I dont think 2nd one is gona be as bad. Evans really shocked me with his passiveness. After seeing the fight im confident that he can win this fight easily.
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07-14-2007, 04:12 PM	#14
Beebs Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 13,330 vCash: 1493	Re: Ortiz Evans II Id like to see a conclusive ending to the fight, although really I just want to see Rashad against a guy at Titos level, it doesn't neccesarily have to be Tito, just want to get a better assesment of Rashad, I think he's gonna bounce back and continue to show the promise he was before this. Jason Lambert is a very very tough fighter, alot of people forget how easily Rashad tore through him.
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