What if Tyson had kept his corner complete for his entire career?

[mcvey]

Originally Posted by la-califa

How much different would have Tyson's legacy in boxing would have been? Up there with Ali & Louis?

It wasnt just his corner ,he was allways a shit waiting to hit the fan,Mickey Duff the English promoter and manager was very friendly with Jim Jacobs ,used to stay at his apartment when in the States ,he said they were buying girls off ,very early in Tysons career ,he was a hand grenade with the pin out ,sooner or later the explosion was coming.

[Vanboxingfan]

This idea that Tyson would be some superhuman fighting machine had his corner stuck together is complete nonsense. We can't even say with any degree of certain that the would have done better than he did. It's certainly likely that he would have, but no guarantees. I think he would have beaten Douglas, not sure about Holyfield, Bowe or Lewis, depending on when they fought it could unfold a number of ways. And would his corner have kept him out of jail? Who knows?

[ripcity]

It is all sepulaction but....
I think he beats Douglas but I don't know for sure. Douglas excuted a perfict game plan that night.
1990 James Buster Douglas ko 8 38-0
1991 Evander Holyfield ko 7 Holyfield is tough and brave but too brave for his own good. 39-0
1991 George Foreman 11-1 y being the first man to go the distance sence 1987 when Tony Tucker managed to do so many people would talk about this as a moral victory for Big George. 40-0
1992 Donovan Ruddock 8-4 For the first time there will be talk of the posibility that Tyson is not invincible. 41-0
1992 Riddick Bowe 7-5 Posible split or majorty decision. 42-0
1993 Lennox Lewis ko 9 Lewis has his momets but Tyson catches up with him. 43-0
1993 Evander Holyfield ko 9 See my commets for their 1991 fight. 44-0
1994 Michael Moorer ko 11 Much will be made about the history between Tyson and Moorer's trainer Teddy Atlias. Morrer will fight well but will get careless. 45-0
1994 Tommy Morrison ko 1 46-0
1995 Riddick Bowe L 8-4 Bowe for a very breif period of time may have been the best heavyweight head to head. 46-1
1995 Lennox Lewis 7-5 Possible split or majorty decision. both are coming off loses Tyson to Bowe and Lewis to Oliver McCall 47-1
1996. Riddick Bowe 8-4 Many boxing fans and experts will find it hard that Bowe was the same guy who beat Tyson a year before 48-1
1996 Mile Tyson 31 years old two time undisputed heavyweight champion of the world with a record of 48-1-0 (39) anouces his retirement.
1996-1998 Joins the brodcast team for HBO or Showtime.
1998 David Tua ko 9 By now Lennox Lewis who Tyson has beten twice is the doment heaveyweight and their is a lot of talk about Ike Ibeabuchi He fights Tua who is coming off a loss to Ike Ibeabuchi to shake off some rust. 49-1
1999 Ike Ibeabuchi ko 11. Tyson stops Ibeabuchi in a great fight. 50-1
1999 Michael Grant ko 4. After disposeing of Tua and Ibeabuchi Tyson takes on another hot prospect Michael Grant who at 6′ 7″ and coming off a win aganst Lou Savarese. 51-1
2000. Lennox Lewis L 10-2 Lewis easily puts an end to Mike Tyson's hopes of becoming a three time heavyweight champion of the world. 51-2
2000 Mike Tyson 35 years old two time undisputed heavyweight champion of the world retires from boxing (again) with a record of 51-2-0 (42).
With a better team around than the one that Don King provided for him he will be no Saint but he will have stayed out of major trubble. He would also be in a much better finchial postion than he is now. Except as a comatator or possible trainer he will not have gotten into a boxing ring sence his loss to Lennox Lewis in 2000.

If Tyson had stayed with Kevin Rooney I think by now he would have made 150 or more successful title defences, with at least 50 championship 1st round KOs.

He'd still be champion now, obviously, and it would probably be a very boring situation. There would be more interest in "minor titles" and non-title fights at heavyweight, because every fighter would be a foregone conclusion to get KO'd.

Tyson fights would not draw great numbers after the late 90s, because we would have seen it all by then, but his back catalogue of KOs would basically amount to everything important in boxing history, especially when he began taking on several contenders on the same night, and then - at his absolute peak c. 1993-99 - several men at the same time.
New techniques, new punches, new levels of athleticism, new freakish feats, the re-definition of boxing ability, the complete re-writing of the boxing textbook, would have occured if the Tyson and Rooney team had stayed together.

No one would talk about Ali, Louis, the Sugar Rays, not in the same breath as Tyson. The men we know todau as "great fighters" would not be considered such had Tyson stayed with Rooney, there would only be one GREAT fighter - Mike Tyson. The others would be just "good fighters", "former champions".

Tyson's peak in the 1990s would have been the pinnacle of boxing history, but it also would have featured some lowpoints, like he probably would have killed three consecutive challengers in 1994, and almost cause boxing's permanent extinction.

He'd be made to wear special gloves to slow down his phenomenal speed and lessen his power. A contender would need to undergo tests to prove they have a 20+ inch neck, alomg with a record of never being stopped, and a abnormal skull thickness and high levels of skeletal and muscle mass, before being allowed to fight Tyson. Steroids tests would be waivered for his opponents, some state commisions and sanctioning bodies would actually make a course of HGH and testosterone compulsory for anyone wishing to fight Tyson.

Between 1988 and '93 we would have seen young Tyson improve dramatically with every fight. Guys like Holyfield, Bowe, Mercer, Lewis would have gone out in matter of seconds, perhaps tragically killed. Tyson's power would have reached frightening levels, and his head-movement would be tested in the gym against speeding live bullets (perhaps Teddy Atlas would have been brought back on board for this).

From '93 to '99 it would be surreal, even though we all know Tyson would be pulling his punches and playing, he'd still have the appearance of the deadliest creature that ever lived.

A new field of science called Tysonology would emerge during the 90s, a study of the anatomical, biological, ballistics and physics surrounding the phenomenon known as "Tyson" Scientists would struggle to grasp and explain Tyson using generally accepted science. The religious people would stand in awe of the blinding light of his punches. Civilization itself would tremble in fear of Tyson's power unleashed.

..... if only he had stayed with Rooney.

[joe33]

He still may have gone to prison though,his corner where not out on the town with him all the time,he had that madness about him that sadly cost him his best years of his career

No prison would have been able to hold the Rooney-trained Tyson.

He'd be far too fast to get caught, and too strong to be contained behind mere walls and bars.

[Bummy Davis]

I think Cus, Jacobs and Rooney were the best team that Tyson had, at least they were boxing people unlike Rory Holoway. Cus gave Mike the mental strength he needed and Cus was good at the mind games. I think Jacobs was the next closest to Tyson but Cus was the Key and Kevin a reminder but Cus did not care about money, he wanted the best Tyson, Years after Cus;s death Mikes wife found an account with 250,000 in it, they couldn't figure out where it came from but then found out it was Cus saving money for Mike. That kind of love you can not replace. Tyson may have had trouble with Douglas and Holtfield but with Cus in his corner he would have been better prepared to win and would have had some answers to his problems. He would have had a better chance to be and stay as the best MIKE TYSON he could be and unfortunatly that is not what he became

[Russell]

Originally Posted by Sonny's jab

If Tyson had stayed with Kevin Rooney I think by now he would have made 150 or more successful title defences, with at least 50 championship 1st round KOs.

He'd still be champion now, obviously, and it would probably be a very boring situation. There would be more interest in "minor titles" and non-title fights at heavyweight, because every fighter would be a foregone conclusion to get KO'd.

Tyson fights would not draw great numbers after the late 90s, because we would have seen it all by then, but his back catalogue of KOs would basically amount to everything important in boxing history, especially when he began taking on several contenders on the same night, and then - at his absolute peak c. 1993-99 - several men at the same time.
New techniques, new punches, new levels of athleticism, new freakish feats, the re-definition of boxing ability, the complete re-writing of the boxing textbook, would have occured if the Tyson and Rooney team had stayed together.

No one would talk about Ali, Louis, the Sugar Rays, not in the same breath as Tyson. The men we know todau as "great fighters" would not be considered such had Tyson stayed with Rooney, there would only be one GREAT fighter - Mike Tyson. The others would be just "good fighters", "former champions".

Tyson's peak in the 1990s would have been the pinnacle of boxing history, but it also would have featured some lowpoints, like he probably would have killed three consecutive challengers in 1994, and almost cause boxing's permanent extinction.

He'd be made to wear special gloves to slow down his phenomenal speed and lessen his power. A contender would need to undergo tests to prove they have a 20+ inch neck, alomg with a record of never being stopped, and a abnormal skull thickness and high levels of skeletal and muscle mass, before being allowed to fight Tyson. Steroids tests would be waivered for his opponents, some state commisions and sanctioning bodies would actually make a course of HGH and testosterone compulsory for anyone wishing to fight Tyson.

Between 1988 and '93 we would have seen young Tyson improve dramatically with every fight. Guys like Holyfield, Bowe, Mercer, Lewis would have gone out in matter of seconds, perhaps tragically killed. Tyson's power would have reached frightening levels, and his head-movement would be tested in the gym against speeding live bullets (perhaps Teddy Atlas would have been brought back on board for this).

From '93 to '99 it would be surreal, even though we all know Tyson would be pulling his punches and playing, he'd still have the appearance of the deadliest creature that ever lived.

A new field of science called Tysonology would emerge during the 90s, a study of the anatomical, biological, ballistics and physics surrounding the phenomenon known as "Tyson" Scientists would struggle to grasp and explain Tyson using generally accepted science. The religious people would stand in awe of the blinding light of his punches. Civilization itself would tremble in fear of Tyson's power unleashed.

..... if only he had stayed with Rooney.

Ahahaha, Sonny's Jab is getting disgruntled by this thread.

[Seamus]

Originally Posted by janitor

I think it would only have delayed the inevitable.

Thank you.

It's depressing that Tyson myopia seeps into these erudite ranks.

Tyson's corner didn't help a whole lot during Douglas, but he still showed every trait that led to his losses, lack of a plan b, a tendency to get single tracked in the pursuit of the KO and be shockingly open for counters ,and the propensity to get discouraged once his bullying proved unfruitful.

I still think Holyfield beats him, Foreman gives him a good tussle, and Bowe takes him outright. Also, a post-McCall Lewis beats him everytime out.

[JohnThomas1]

Originally Posted by Dempsey1238

Are you guys joking?? Tyson would have ko Holyfiled in round 1 had Rooney been there. Follow by more first round kos over the likes of Bowe, Lewis, Foreman, Wlad, and VK.

Hell, he'd still be champ!!!

[JohnThomas1]

Originally Posted by Stonehands89

Serious question Dempsey: How old are you?

He's kidding

[JohnThomas1]

Originally Posted by Sonny's jab

No prison would have been able to hold the Rooney-trained Tyson.

He'd be far too fast to get caught, and too strong to be contained behind mere walls and bars.

Hahahaha, which leads me to the ultimate question Sonny, the matchup most are only game to whisper in hushed tones

Psssssssssssssst........Mike Tyson vs Chuck Norris

[TBooze]

Originally Posted by JohnThomas1

Psssssssssssssst........Mike Tyson vs Chuck Norris

Well he could not beat Orlin without drugs....

[Stonehands89]

Originally Posted by JohnThomas1

He's kidding

I figured it out... just slowly!

[JohnThomas1]

Originally Posted by Stonehands89

I figured it out... just slowly!

Hahahaha, better late than never.