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Old 02-14-2012, 08:05 PM   #76
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The Carl Williams fight wouldve been Douglas' fate otherwise.

Jesus Christ, what a powerful left hook.
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Old 02-14-2012, 11:56 PM   #77
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The Carl Williams fight wouldve been Douglas' fate otherwise.

Jesus Christ, what a powerful left hook.


Just a shame that Tyson and Holyfield didn't fight straight after the williams fight...Holyfield starched Rodrigues in the same week in 2.


Mike Tyson " we were working on slipping and hooking, so I slipped to get in there, instantaneously BING throw the punch...and I was successful! "
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Old 02-15-2012, 12:08 AM   #78
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Yup.

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After disposing of Williams, Tyson made no secret of his feelings about his future. Charging across the ring, he leaned over the ropes and shook his right fist in Holyfield's direction. Tyson later offered to fight Holyfield for nothing in the Convention Center's basement. "The guy who comes back up with the key will be the champion," he said.
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Old 02-15-2012, 12:33 AM   #79
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Shame it didn't happen...even in 91

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Old 02-15-2012, 03:23 AM   #80
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Yeah, it realistically came anywhere from 5-7 years too late although as a youngster at the time, I have fond memories of the spectacle and thats because I actually, truly really cared about boxing at its then current juncture. The second one was on some kind of excessively diabolical tip. And I mean literally everything to do with it.
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Old 03-01-2013, 10:20 PM   #81
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If Tyson had stayed with Kevin Rooney I think by now he would have made 150 or more successful title defences, with at least 50 championship 1st round KOs.

He'd still be champion now, obviously, and it would probably be a very boring situation. There would be more interest in "minor titles" and non-title fights at heavyweight, because every fighter would be a foregone conclusion to get KO'd.

Tyson fights would not draw great numbers after the late 90s, because we would have seen it all by then, but his back catalogue of KOs would basically amount to everything important in boxing history, especially when he began taking on several contenders on the same night, and then - at his absolute peak c. 1993-99 - several men at the same time.
New techniques, new punches, new levels of athleticism, new freakish feats, the re-definition of boxing ability, the complete re-writing of the boxing textbook, would have occured if the Tyson and Rooney team had stayed together.

No one would talk about Ali, Louis, the Sugar Rays, not in the same breath as Tyson. The men we know todau as "great fighters" would not be considered such had Tyson stayed with Rooney, there would only be one GREAT fighter - Mike Tyson. The others would be just "good fighters", "former champions".

Tyson's peak in the 1990s would have been the pinnacle of boxing history, but it also would have featured some lowpoints, like he probably would have killed three consecutive challengers in 1994, and almost cause boxing's permanent extinction.

He'd be made to wear special gloves to slow down his phenomenal speed and lessen his power. A contender would need to undergo tests to prove they have a 20+ inch neck, alomg with a record of never being stopped, and a abnormal skull thickness and high levels of skeletal and muscle mass, before being allowed to fight Tyson. Steroids tests would be waivered for his opponents, some state commisions and sanctioning bodies would actually make a course of HGH and testosterone compulsory for anyone wishing to fight Tyson.

Between 1988 and '93 we would have seen young Tyson improve dramatically with every fight. Guys like Holyfield, Bowe, Mercer, Lewis would have gone out in matter of seconds, perhaps tragically killed. Tyson's power would have reached frightening levels, and his head-movement would be tested in the gym against speeding live bullets (perhaps Teddy Atlas would have been brought back on board for this).

From '93 to '99 it would be surreal, even though we all know Tyson would be pulling his punches and playing, he'd still have the appearance of the deadliest creature that ever lived.

A new field of science called Tysonology would emerge during the 90s, a study of the anatomical, biological, ballistics and physics surrounding the phenomenon known as "Tyson" Scientists would struggle to grasp and explain Tyson using generally accepted science. The religious people would stand in awe of the blinding light of his punches. Civilization itself would tremble in fear of Tyson's power unleashed.

..... if only he had stayed with Rooney.
I think this post is unappreciated.
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Old 03-01-2013, 11:33 PM   #82
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Undisputed GOAT

65-0 record ... 50+ KOs ... breaks all significant records ... creates greatest legacy in sports history.

And most importantly, KTFO Lewis, Holyfield, and maybe even the older Klit
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Old 03-02-2013, 05:33 AM   #83
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Undisputed GOAT

65-0 record ... 50+ KOs ... breaks all significant records ... creates greatest legacy in sports history.

And most importantly, KTFO Lewis, Holyfield, and maybe even the older Klit
Coming from a guy name Kid Dynamite not much of a surprise...
I don't think all that would happen because it wasn't just because of his corner that everything went downhill for him it was just a matter of time
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Old 03-02-2013, 10:00 AM   #84
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Tyson`s style was very concise, with emphasis on quick feet, lots of head movement and combinations in numbers. Meaning that he and Rooney had numbers they used for select combinations. Without a doubt, Tyson became more one-dimensioanl after Rooney`s release. He lost his structure and THE one guy who stayed consistent with D`Amato`s teachings. He became more of a one punch bomber, snd stopped using his defense and speed to get to the target. Even Larry Holmes said the thing with Tyson was his speed, and ring smarts. Saying that Tyson slid in so fats and and got his leg between Holmes ,which prevented Holmes from sliding left or right. He thought Tyson was much smarter than given credit for. True, Tysons demons and shaky discipline would have lead to problems irregardless. But, he would have had a great run at the top, with his corner still intact ...
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Old 03-02-2013, 01:15 PM   #85
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wow, I never posted in this?

No excuses, it is what it is.

I was reading 'Facing Tyson' lately though and there's a great chapter on Buster Mathis jr, who knew Tyson well and he spoke a lot about something called 'The Willie', which was a system which the D'amato camp used for punching the bag. Certain shots were coded with numbers, Kevin Rooney would shout out the number sequences and then Tyson would hit the combo on the bag. Mathis jr was watching Tyson fight in the later part of his career and he said he could tell right away that Tyson 'wasn't training with the willie', and had became a head hunter.
That's funny because after Tyson knocked Mathis out, he explained that he figured out Mathis style because he (Tyson) was the best at that style and he knew it better than mathis
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Old 03-02-2013, 01:21 PM   #86
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Sometimes I feel Holyfield always has Tysons number, other times I feel Holyfields win over Tyson is extremely overrated.

Bowe never beats Tyson. Tyson wipes the floor with him, especially a Kevin Rooney trained Tyson. Tyson really needs to get to Lewis while Lewis was younger and maybe try and ruin him like he did to Biggs. As both men get older Lewis holds the advantage.
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Old 03-02-2013, 01:30 PM   #87
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Still gets whipped by Douglas.
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Old 03-02-2013, 01:35 PM   #88
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Still gets whipped by Douglas.
If Tyson can spend all night clubbing and banging Japanese birds and turn up for the fight completely untrained and still get a knockdown from the first decent punch he landed, im sure a better trained Tyson would do a better job.

However Douglas always has the style/physical tool set to give Tyson trouble. I think hed go the same way as Tucker
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If Tyson can spend all night clubbing and banging Japanese birds and turn up for the fight completely untrained and still get a knockdown from the first decent punch he landed, im sure a better trained Tyson would do a better job.

However Douglas always has the style/physical tool set to give Tyson trouble. I think hed go the same way as Tucker

And I'm sure a better trained Douglas does an even better job still.

Fact is, in his prime, he got battered by Douglas. It wasn't even close Douglas kicked the shit out of him.

Sure Tyson will have a punchers chance against anyone but against Douglas that's all he has.
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Old 03-10-2013, 04:48 AM   #90
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Are you guys joking?? Marciano would have ko Holyfiled in round 1 had Rooney been there. Follow by more first round kos over the likes of Bowe, Lewis, Foreman, Wlad, and VK.
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