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Old 04-05-2008, 07:26 AM   #1
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Default Would you place Joe Louis above any of these guys, pound for pound?

Langford, Robinson, Armstrong, Greb, Charles, Walker, Pep, Moore, Duran, Fitzsimmons, Ali, Burley, Benny Leonard, Sugar Ray Leonard, Barney Ross, Gene Tunney.

Ifsowhyso?
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Old 04-05-2008, 09:57 AM   #2
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Default Re: Would you place Joe Louis above any of these guys, pound for pound?

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Langford, Robinson, Armstrong, Greb, Charles, Walker, Pep, Moore, Duran, Fitzsimmons, Ali, Burley, Benny Leonard, Sugar Ray Leonard, Barney Ross, Gene Tunney.

Ifsowhyso?
Langford - No.

Robinson - Certainly not.

Armstrong - I don't think so.

Greb - Probably.

Charles - Close, but yes.

Walker - I don't think so.

Pep - Yes.

Moore - Close.

Duran - No.

Fitzsimmons - Close, but yes.

Ali - No.

Burley - Yes.

Benny Leonard - Close.

Ray Leonard - No.

Barney Ross - Yes.

Gene Tunney - Yes.
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Old 04-05-2008, 11:49 AM   #3
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Default Re: Would you place Joe Louis above any of these guys, pound for pound?

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Langford, Robinson, Armstrong, Greb, Charles, Walker, Pep, Moore, Duran, Fitzsimmons, Ali, Burley, Benny Leonard, Sugar Ray Leonard, Barney Ross, Gene Tunney.

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I would put him above Ali and Tunney and that is about it.
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Old 04-05-2008, 01:18 PM   #4
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Default Re: Would you place Joe Louis above any of these guys, pound for pound?

Sam Langford: No
Sugar Ray Robinson: No
Henry Armstrong: No
Harry Greb: No
Ezzard Charles: No
Mickey Walker: Maybe
Willie Pep: I don't but you can make a case
Archie Moore: probably not
Roberto Duran: No
Bob Fitzsimmons: Yes
Ali: Depends who you have number 1 heavy it seems split
Charley Burley: Yes
Benny Leonard: I do although most would have Leonard higher
Sugar Ray Leonard: Yes Louis has the longevity and consistency plus he always gave rematch straight away and did well in the rematches.
Barney Ross: Maybe
Gene Tunney: Yes
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Old 04-05-2008, 01:49 PM   #5
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Langford, I do rank Louis above Langford, mostly I seen more of Louis, than Sammy. BUT, Langford beat the best guys above his weight. I think I may lean with a rank over Louis perhaps.

Robinson, Perhaps, Robinson is pound for pound number 1 on MOST people's list, I think Suger Ray could be over rated in this regard. Of couse I have Ray over Louis. Mostly off his middleweight and welterweight foes.

Armstrong, I dont see it, What Armstrong did was amazing. Armstrong stands at number 2, behind Barney Ross.

Greb, Yep, other middleweight whipping the big boys.

Charles, I rank Louis over Charles as heavyweights. Pound for pound would swing to Charle's weight jumping from middleweight to heavyweight, and winning the title.

Walker, I do rank Walker over Louis and for good reason. 2 divsion champ. Former heavyweight rank contender, and the draw with Shakrey puts Walker over Louis in a pound for pound sense imo. Yeah as heavyweights ok, but Walker was a middleweight taking on the big boys. And that adds more points for Walker. Only Max Schemling put Walker in his place, from the heavyweights.

Pep, yeah I rank Pep higher than Louis. Pep didnt do much weight jumping, but he was amazing in that ring.

Moore, mmm, not sure. I think Louis would be rank over Moore. But its hard to do with his middleweight and lightheavyweight and heavyweight run. And nearly 300 fights.

Duran, Nope, Duran's weight jumping.

Fitzsimmons, nope, Fitz was the first man to win 3 weight titles at middleweight, lightheayvweight and heayvweight. Fitz made the word pound for pound lol.

Ali, yes, Louis is rank number 1 on my heavyweight list.

Burley, not sure.

Benny Leonard, nope, Benny Leonard like Pep was a master of that ring. Also Leonard clean out his era before he retire. Only to go broke and return. His fights with Tendler are legend of couse.

Ray Leonard Yes

Barney Ross, Nope, 3 weight divsion champ, and held the 3 titles at the same time a good 4 years before Armstrong.

Gene Tunney , Pound for pound might go to Tunney.
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Old 04-05-2008, 02:07 PM   #6
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Default Re: Would you place Joe Louis above any of these guys, pound for pound?

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Langford, Robinson, Armstrong, Greb, Charles, Walker, Pep, Moore, Duran, Fitzsimmons, Ali, Burley, Benny Leonard, Sugar Ray Leonard, Barney Ross, Gene Tunney.

Ifsowhyso?
Langford-no

Robinson-no

Armstrong-no

Greb-no

Charles-yes

Walker-no

Pep-no

Moore-no

Duran-no

Fitzsimmons-no

Tunney-no

Burley-yes

Benny Leonard-no

Ali-yes

Ross-yes

Ray Leonard-yes
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Old 04-05-2008, 02:08 PM   #7
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Langford-no

Robinson-no

Armstrong-no

Greb-no

Charles-yes

Walker-no

Pep-no

Moore-no

Duran-no

Fitzsimmons-no

Tunney-no

Burley-yes

Benny Leonard-no

Ali-yes

Ross-yes

Ray Leonard-yes

Why would you place him over Ross and Charles, redrooster?
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Old 04-05-2008, 02:58 PM   #8
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Why would you place him over Ross and Charles, redrooster?
physical attributes, and 25 title defenses. He'd be ranked higher but I have to dock him points for losing to Schmeling.
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Old 04-05-2008, 06:03 PM   #9
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But Ross held 3 weight titles from lightweight, Jr Welterweight and the Welterweight title.

Lets not forget that he held all 3 at the same time when he beat Jimmy McLarin for the first time. I think I rank Ross over Louis. Also wins over Canzi, McLarin, Petrolle, Battling Battalino, are a better group of fighters than the Baers, Carneras. ete/ The only fighter on this level is perhaps Conn.
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Old 04-05-2008, 06:21 PM   #10
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Default Re: Would you place Joe Louis above any of these guys, pound for pound?

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Langford, Robinson, Armstrong, Greb, Charles, Walker, Pep, Moore, Duran, Fitzsimmons, Ali, Burley, Benny Leonard, Sugar Ray Leonard, Barney Ross, Gene Tunney.

Ifsowhyso?
nope....not a single one of them.
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Old 04-05-2008, 10:58 PM   #11
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But Ross held 3 weight titles from lightweight, Jr Welterweight and the Welterweight title.

Lets not forget that he held all 3 at the same time when he beat Jimmy McLarin for the first time. I think I rank Ross over Louis. Also wins over Canzi, McLarin, Petrolle, Battling Battalino, are a better group of fighters than the Baers, Carneras. ete/ The only fighter on this level is perhaps Conn.
You're right. I guess Charles and Ross had more on the ball.
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Old 04-06-2008, 06:00 PM   #12
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I think Joe Louis was as great as any fighter who ever lived.

To be honest I believe all this talk of lists and ratings is kind of meaningless, but I believe that some fighters belong in the highest category of greatness, the true all-time greats. Joe Louis is one of them.
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Old 04-06-2008, 06:07 PM   #13
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Default Re: Would you place Joe Louis above any of these guys, pound for pound?

I would put him above Ross and possibly Moore, Fitzimmons possibly?? The rest are real elite though, they all are, but so is Louis? In a way!
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Old 04-06-2008, 06:38 PM   #14
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I've him above Ali, Burley and Tunney from the list (P4P). Maybe Moore too. That's it.
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Default Re: Would you place Joe Louis above any of these guys, pound for pound?

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Langford, Robinson, Armstrong, Greb, Charles, Walker, Pep, Moore, Duran, Fitzsimmons, Ali, Burley, Benny Leonard, Sugar Ray Leonard, Barney Ross, Gene Tunney.

Ifsowhyso?
louis > burley, tunney and probably sugar ray leonard.

can see how someone could argue for tunney and leonard above him, though.

the rest are all above louis, probably.
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