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Old 04-06-2008, 08:54 AM   #16
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I have seen them all stunned, now if the question was hurt badly a few fighters come to mind
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Old 04-06-2008, 08:55 AM   #17
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the one i have in mind was knockdown but whenever he was getting hit he wasn't stunned that much,and thats aaron pryor
Tho well past his best i'm pretty sure Pryor was stunned by Bobby Joe.
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Old 04-06-2008, 08:56 AM   #18
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Tho well past his best i'm pretty sure Pryor was stunned by Bobby Joe.
LOL, yeah he had time to find god!
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Old 04-06-2008, 08:57 AM   #19
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I can't remember whether it happened or not but there were a few people who seemed to believe that Chris Byrd of all people may have momentarily hurt Tua with a body shot. If it sounds crazy it's not from me. I haven't seen the fight since it happened but I do recall that being thrown out there. I guess anything's possible. Anyone know?
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Old 04-06-2008, 09:23 AM   #20
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Chuvalo was stunned by Foreman, he had no idea where he was and how to protect himself.
This, of course, isn't literally true. True, Foreman stunned Chuvalo with one big shot in the 3rd round, the force of which drove Chuvalo into the ropes. Then after that, Foreman just kept whaling away, with Chuvalo not firing back, until the fight was stopped. How many follow up punches did Foreman throw at Chuvalo, and if he was DEFENSELESS, then what was the matter with Big George's power? If he was defenless, and "had no idea where he was", then even a punch far inferior to that first big punch from Foreman would have ended it, at least sending Chuvalo down. Chuvalo's defense was crude and rudimentary, for sure, but he was coherent enough to keep Foreman from landing another clean shot to the jaw. No one, even Oliver McCall, can withstand a clean, hard shot to an UNPROTECTED chin. Fighters are trained to swivel the neck to act as a shock absorber to protect their jaws from incoming punches, no matter how subtle and slight that 'swivel" may be, and to have the gloves up instinctively to block punches as well. I'm sure that if you look at the tape of Chuvalo-Foreman, you'll see that Chuvalo wasn't completely defenseless, like Oscar Bonavena was, for instance in the 15th round with Ali, when he would get up, and didn't have the presence of mind to even hold his gloves up to protect his chin. Chuvalo has, in fact, maintained that he wasn't that out of it, and was using the gloves to deflect Foreman's rather wild follow up punches. In other words, if a fighter is truly rendered defenseless by a punch, or punches, then ANY kind of follow up shots can easily put him down, as his chin as well as his mind would be totally undefended.
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Old 04-06-2008, 09:35 AM   #21
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Another example of my previous post is the second Lewis-McCall fight, with McCall walking around the ring crying, while Lewis rather cautiously and carefully stalked him. One might tend to criticise Lewis for being overly cautious at times during his career, but in this case, it was good that he was, because he could have seriously hurt Oliver. I know this sounds like heresy, and all the McCall fans that rave about his iron jaw (and he does have one) will dispute this, but at the time he was walking around with his guard down sobbing, he wasn't protecting his head AT ALL. His mind was not involved in fighting, defense, or whatever, and if Lewis so chose to, he would have blindsided him with a potentially fatal punch, which would have been on par with James Butler's cowardly sucker punch he landed on Richard Hall (I think that was his name) in that horrifying episode of ESPN Friday night fights a couple of years ago. Lewis has been criticised wrongly for not going all out against McCall in that fight, because if he did, he could have caused permanent damage to even the iron jawed McCall.
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Old 04-06-2008, 10:22 AM   #22
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How many follow up punches did Foreman throw at Chuvalo, and if he was DEFENSELESS, then what was the matter with Big George's power?
Not many, only a few punches were enough for Chuvalo to be out on his feet.
Foreman never had true one-punch KO power, he almost always finished or dropped fighters with multiple punches.
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Old 04-06-2008, 10:33 AM   #23
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Chuvalo comes to mind. TKO'ed, but he always seemed aware, even when George had him in a corner beating the shit out of him.

I've never seen McCall even wobbled. Punched across the damned ring from the force of punches by Bruno, but never stunned.

David Tua?
There is a film of Tua being ko'd by Felix Savon as an amateur on youtube.
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Old 04-06-2008, 11:12 AM   #24
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.................I see I continue to be the only one riding the Juan Laporte Express on this one.
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Old 04-06-2008, 01:51 PM   #25
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I can't remember whether it happened or not but there were a few people who seemed to believe that Chris Byrd of all people may have momentarily hurt Tua with a body shot. If it sounds crazy it's not from me. I haven't seen the fight since it happened but I do recall that being thrown out there. I guess anything's possible. Anyone know?
Tua was definatlely hurt by Byrd's body punching late in the fight. Its not crazy its true
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.................I see I continue to be the only one riding the Juan Laporte Express on this one.
I thought he may have been a little stunned at one point vs Gomez, but i'd have to look again and could easily be wrong.
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Old 04-06-2008, 04:35 PM   #27
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I thought he may have been a little stunned at one point vs Gomez, but i'd have to look again and could easily be wrong.

...........I'm sure he was just being pensive.
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Old 04-06-2008, 04:47 PM   #28
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...........I'm sure he was just being pensive.
When he was walking into the Kings Hall, he looked a little stunned; but still that did not stop him giving McGuigan hell! Proof that us Brits are as bad as the Europeans, Africans, Asians or Americans at giving out dodgy hometown decisions. LaPorte deserved a draw that night IMO.
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Old 04-06-2008, 04:54 PM   #29
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I have seen them all stunned, now if the question was hurt badly a few fighters come to mind

Right.

No-one that gets in the ring with the best fighters of the world is not even going to be stunned. It's true, even the Chuvalo's and McCall's are human.
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Old 04-06-2008, 05:48 PM   #30
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When he was walking into the Kings Hall, he looked a little stunned; but still that did not stop him giving McGuigan hell! Proof that us Brits are as bad as the Europeans, Africans, Asians or Americans at giving out dodgy hometown decisions. LaPorte deserved a draw that night IMO.

...........Really? I had Barry winning that one 7-3. Juan had this maddening habit of covering up as if he were rationed to 15 punches a round. That came up to bite him again that day I thought. Of course, McGuigan's pressure had a lot to do with that.
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