"You have no evidence that Khan has a china chin..."

[achillesthegreat]

Limond has got some pop. Yeah he's only stopped like 33% of his opponents but if you include the guys he dropped and hurt then it increases. Include the fact he boxes and doesn't look for the ko, where as in this fight he was looking to make a fight. Plus it was five big shots and you would be a moron to disagree.

Khan is not a hype job. This cannot be substantiated. You list his chin as his major flaw before even knowing he had a bad chin. It was just one of your pathetic assumptions.

Limond is a journeyman

Robinson was dropped by Mitsos Grispos who had 0 kos in 31 fights, plus a record of 1-14-3 going into the bout. In their second meeting Jake LaMotta put him through the ropes and it is said 'Robinson was knocked down through the ropes in the eighth, being saved by the bell at the count of nine'. That wasn't the only time LaMotta knocked him down and LaMotta had 30kos in 106 bouts. I'm sure if Amsterdam was around in those days he'd call the great Robinson chinny with his undefeated amateur record worthless.

You what? 'process of elimination'? pull the other one. It's called 'the process of being a cock'. Zak hates Harrison and you hate Khan, thus you said everything bad that you could about them. Eventually something is going to come true.

You consider Khan the worst kind of chin, this is bollocks.

Khan was just 17, showing power in an era of big gloves and headgear plus in terms of skill the Os are still rocking. Kindelan isn't just one of the best today, he is one of the best ever. His amateur pedigree speaks for itself.

You clearly don't give credit otherwise you'd start a thread saying 'Khans chin isn't legendary but I'm a complete cock because he fought like a warrior'. You are a disgrace to the game. Period.

Ali pre Liston showed nothing to suggest he'd take Sonnys shots or go on to take Foremans or Shavers BUT HE DID! Like I said, pre Liston no one knew but they hated. Khans chin may be awful, it may be ok, it may be great. Just let him be.

Wrong Achilles, a small feather fisted 135 pounder landing 5 shots is not going to take me out, I know my own chin and I've taken harder blows than Limond could ever produce, which includes kicks to the head in Muay Thai training.

Not every professional fighter automatically can KO a non-professional fighter with a simple combination, Limond is a very small man and I am a rather large 12 st. man. Again, why is there a need to compare a professional athlete to a civilian, when as a fan of boxing, I am going to GRADE them at their craft, just like I'd GRADE a musician, actor or any other type of entertainment figure...

Even though they are OBVIOUSLY far more skilled at their craft then the average person.

If this is the sort of delusional stuff you want to tell yourself then fine but I promise you in the 6th round Limond landing those shots put you OUT. The odds are on my side. I am saying all this because you obviously have no respect for combatants.

I can formulate a well thought out hypothesis and snuff out a bad chin every damn time, it's far more than a shot in the dark, considering that everytime I project it, it comes true.

More delusional bullshit. You've GUESSED one man. I can remember when you said Judah would be starched early by Cotto. Proved you wrong there on the chin and his level of toughness, huh!

Vanda is the definition of a hype job. Journeyman who get sparked brutally for ten seconds is the definition of someone with no chin. You don't know what you are on about.

You hate Khan, took a wild guess he was chinny, he gets put down and you get hard on. This is boxing, the large majority of guys will turn out to not have some amazing chin, thus saying so and so is chinny isn't something legendary, the odds are on your side.

I've never claim Khan had some amazing chin. In fact I've always said I've worried about him in the pros because he doesn't look like 'a man' in that he can stand his ground, take shots, fight on the inside etc That is why I said he needs to be moved slowly so he can mature and gain experience. It is also me who said ****** is avoiding punchers. You see I have reasons and evidence for what I say.

The root of my predicitions, thoughts, statements etc is not hate! I cannot say the same for some. You are now trying to sell yourself off as a prophet. It is laughable. Get some respect for combatants and make comments when you have some proof. If you were now saying Khans chin looks weak, that would be ok BUT you have been a cock about Khan since day one.

So I maintain that you are a disgrace to the sport!

[Amsterdam]

I have no respect to combatants?

Because I don't respect china chinned Khan?

How do you know that I would be taken down by Limond, a man half my size from a singular combination when you know little about my physicality, experience with combat sports in general?

Khan is the definition of a horrid hype job and I would not be called Ray china chinned, Ray proved time and time again even early in his career that he was one durable guy. You are REACHING for whatever you can and when the kid's sparked finally and the hype is over, what is there left to say?

And I absolutely did not say Judah wouldn't last a few rounds with Cotto, in fact, I said Judah had a damn good chance of winning that fight and that he was tougher than given credit for, so you have me mixed up with someone else.

So I'm a disgrace to the sport, despite supporting it 100%, supporting true fighters 100% and supporting changes that would strengthen it for it to grow bigger like it was in the glory days. As well as the immense amount of respect that I provide for most fighters. Hype jobs and promotional scum are the elements that I DESPISE, Khan embodies BOTH.

Wake up, grow up, lighten up, whatever, but damn you are testy for me calling out facts and you know damn well that I am 100% correct on this issue and that Zak was 100% correct on that piece of shit Fraudley Harrison, whom was a disgrace to the sport and a disgrace to Britain in the end.

If you aren't convinced that Khan and the hype train is a joke, YOU NEVER WILL BE. So don't call on my boxing knowledge, my stance on the sport and my personal beliefs while putting false accusations at the front of the table under a complete incorrect assessment filled with disrespect just because YOU don't agree with me and are STILL BLINDED by this fucking disgrace Amir Khan.

I am shocked that you are still supporting this fraud, most others have conceeded into submission that it's OVER.

[Decebal]

Guys, this is getting a bit overly heated! Khan is a product (victim?) of the British obsession with celebrity culture. His minders have taken advantage of his Cinderella-like story to the MAX. Nobody can deny that. This is why they have done their outmost to turn him into a national hero figure who cannot do wrong. The media asked for it. They were glad to oblige. But they overhyped his skill and talent. This happens sometimes in Britain. Remember Tim Henman? All this is unfortunate. But what I disaprove of is the fact that Khan himself has more than played along - he has started to believe the hype himself and started to act arrogantly. Ultimately this will bring him down, once the media decide to round on him, as they eventually round on all the heroes they have helped lift too close to the sun.

Real fans and friends of Khan would advise him to keep his chin down and his feet on the ground, and to talk with modesty and dignity and respect for his opponents and peers.

[hitman_hatton1]

Originally Posted by Amsterdam

Well, now you DO!

the votes have been counted and verified and i can confirm that amsterdam was right.

[achillesthegreat]

Of course, you don't respect an Olympian, you don't respect someone trying to make it in the pros and you don't respect the heart Khan showed.

It has little to do with your size. The fact that you think by being 12st you would somehow withstand 5 full bloodied shots by a man who is about 2st lighter than you is just the beginning of your stupidity. I know you are not a pro boxer, nor are you a fully fledged amateur and that is that. I also can't overlook your total lack of disrespect towards Khan and other boxers. Someone with impressive experience would not ooze of cunt and disrespect like you do.

I'm sure you said Judah was getting sparked in three rounds. Maybe I got it wrong.

Of course you are bad for the sport. You come across as a boxers fan rather than a boxing fan. Khan is good for the game but instead you would like him to fail. This only hurts boxing.

You have been on Khans back for ages, it has slowly stirred me up. It is absolutely pathetic. Once upon a time I thought you were a good poster but you aren't, you must be a fanboy. It is all rooted in your lack of respect for fighters.

What is laughable is something you GUESSED didn't even happen. Khan wasn't flattened. However you feel vindicated and throughtout your posts it appears you think you have done something prophetic. It would be wise than you calm down and learn some respect. Credit Khan for his courage. You should be saying something like 'I was right but Khan has won me over'.

Even the Harrison thing isn't amazing. Harrison took a huge shot from Williams and got up but yet no credit! Harrisons chin was left out to dry, while punching and got caught with something HUGE!

You have no proof of Khan being a hype job. Yes, he is being marketed but what sort of moron would you be not to expect that. That is life, Khan is a product.

I disagree with you that Khans chin is the pit of chins. I have said Khans chin clearly isn't legendary, however I respect how he fought back.

You are shocked that I respect and even support someone who is good for the game?! Of course you would because you are a fanboy who has not justification for his thoughts other than hatred.

[Top Dog]

Originally Posted by Amsterdam

I have no respect to combatants?

Because I don't respect china chinned Khan?

How do you know that I would be taken down by Limond, a man half my size from a singular combination when you know little about my physicality, experience with combat sports in general?

Khan is the definition of a horrid hype job and I would not be called Ray china chinned, Ray proved time and time again even early in his career that he was one durable guy. You are REACHING for whatever you can and when the kid's sparked finally and the hype is over, what is there left to say?

And I absolutely did not say Judah wouldn't last a few rounds with Cotto, in fact, I said Judah had a damn good chance of winning that fight and that he was tougher than given credit for, so you have me mixed up with someone else.

So I'm a disgrace to the sport, despite supporting it 100%, supporting true fighters 100% and supporting changes that would strengthen it for it to grow bigger like it was in the glory days. As well as the immense amount of respect that I provide for most fighters. Hype jobs and promotional scum are the elements that I DESPISE, Khan embodies BOTH.

Wake up, grow up, lighten up, whatever, but damn you are testy for me calling out facts and you know damn well that I am 100% correct on this issue and that Zak was 100% correct on that piece of shit Fraudley Harrison, whom was a disgrace to the sport and a disgrace to Britain in the end.

If you aren't convinced that Khan and the hype train is a joke, YOU NEVER WILL BE. So don't call on my boxing knowledge, my stance on the sport and my personal beliefs while putting false accusations at the front of the table under a complete incorrect assessment filled with disrespect just because YOU don't agree with me and are STILL BLINDED by this fucking disgrace Amir Khan.

I am shocked that you are still supporting this fraud, most others have conceeded into submission that it's OVER.

Amsterdam, you are indeed a disgrace to the sport, because you have the cheek to slag off our saviour of british boxing, how dare you Eh, hold on a minute, so did I Oh, never mind we can both be a disgrace to the sport, but at least we were right when we said he was a hype job
Forget his joker mate, his tongue has tasted Amirs arse, and he's looking for a second lick

[China_hand_Joe]

There is little doubt Khan's overall chin-defence combination is fairly vunerable.

[Max Molyneux]

Khan's chin might not be total china but just shaky as he wasn't out cold and was ok as soon as he got back up to complain to the ref saying It was a push.

Khan's defence needs work though, he won that on pure handspeed. If his defence Improved he can protect his chin enough to be sucessful.

The hype around him Is cheesy though but that happens with Olympians.

[SevenSamurai]

His problem is that in moments during the fight he left his chin in the air. It is definately something he can work on and he must work on if he ever hopes to fullfill the hopes he has. I am pretty sure though that if he gets hit again, that chin in the air or not, he will taste canvas. His handlers clearly know this is a weakness, hence the opposition he has faced has had very low KO %'s.

He did come back well from the knockdown and that should be applauded.

[Amsterdam]

Originally Posted by achillesthegreat

Of course, you don't respect an Olympian, you don't respect someone trying to make it in the pros and you don't respect the heart Khan showed.

It has little to do with your size. The fact that you think by being 12st you would somehow withstand 5 full bloodied shots by a man who is about 2st lighter than you is just the beginning of your stupidity. I know you are not a pro boxer, nor are you a fully fledged amateur and that is that. I also can't overlook your total lack of disrespect towards Khan and other boxers. Someone with impressive experience would not ooze of cunt and disrespect like you do.

I'm sure you said Judah was getting sparked in three rounds. Maybe I got it wrong.

Of course you are bad for the sport. You come across as a boxers fan rather than a boxing fan. Khan is good for the game but instead you would like him to fail. This only hurts boxing.

You have been on Khans back for ages, it has slowly stirred me up. It is absolutely pathetic. Once upon a time I thought you were a good poster but you aren't, you must be a fanboy. It is all rooted in your lack of respect for fighters.

What is laughable is something you GUESSED didn't even happen. Khan wasn't flattened. However you feel vindicated and throughtout your posts it appears you think you have done something prophetic. It would be wise than you calm down and learn some respect. Credit Khan for his courage. You should be saying something like 'I was right but Khan has won me over'.

Even the Harrison thing isn't amazing. Harrison took a huge shot from Williams and got up but yet no credit! Harrisons chin was left out to dry, while punching and got caught with something HUGE!

You have no proof of Khan being a hype job. Yes, he is being marketed but what sort of moron would you be not to expect that. That is life, Khan is a product.

I disagree with you that Khans chin is the pit of chins. I have said Khans chin clearly isn't legendary, however I respect how he fought back.

You are shocked that I respect and even support someone who is good for the game?! Of course you would because you are a fanboy who has not justification for his thoughts other than hatred.

I'm done with arguing you, this is going to get us both nowhere and we'll continue with this for 10 pages and still be at no result.

The fact remains that my assessment of Limond being of journeyman quality in the LW division is absolutely correct, a commonly considered journeyman/gate keeper at LW, Miguel Huerta, whom I greatly respect would smoke Limond in 5 rounds or less. You don't want to recognise that Limond's 28-2 record wouldn't be that nice looking if he was fighting internationally and not domestically, I am judging him on his SKILL/INTANGIBLE level that I have seen from the few fights that I've viewed and while he's got good fundamentals, he's about journeyman level on the World scene and feather fisted variant at that.

And you don't know anything about me, never did I claim that just because I'm 12 st. that Limond couldn't KO me, I was claiming that I am 12 st. and have taken harder blows than that of Limond within combat sport, namely Martial Arts training and competition. So if you wan't to claim that a gloved shot from Willie Limond at 135 pounds is superior to a kick to the face by a 180 pound man, then so be it.

And by the way, I have perfect respect to combatants from all combat sports, just not hype jobs and other disgraces. I give respect to a multitude of fighters that TRUE HATERS slash on frequently and put things into respect.

Just because Khan's dick is in your mouth and that I brutally detest the Khan hype job train, is NO indication that I am disrespectful to the majority of combatants.

So keep overrating your domestic crop and your Olympic results, I'll stay in relevance to international WORLD CLASS PROFESSIONAL BOXING and keep comparing things like any fan of anything is going to judge top level athletes.

This is the last thing I'll say to you on this subject, you need to grow up Achilles, I definitley was under the impression that you were better than this, but one's true colours come out when the heat is on.

[Amsterdam]

Originally Posted by Top Dog

Amsterdam, you are indeed a disgrace to the sport, because you have the cheek to slag off our saviour of british boxing, how dare you Eh, hold on a minute, so did I Oh, never mind we can both be a disgrace to the sport, but at least we were right when we said he was a hype job
Forget his joker mate, his tongue has tasted Amirs arse, and he's looking for a second lick

Generally he's a good poster, guess this just hit a real soft spot with him. Either way, he's out of my realm of respect, it's one thing to differ in opinion and another to take things so personally that it becomes a pissing contest instead of a reasonable debate.

What's funny, is that I even talk to IronBull every now and then on MSN and he and I have gotten along well on there, despite him knowing that I despise Khan.

The irony is that he realises that this is all just relevant to my Political beliefs, I actually give Khan fair credit for his amatuer accomplishments, IronBull knows that I don't support public exploitation and that this what I see Khan as.

If there was no insane hype and exploitative marketing and execution surrounding Amir, I really wouldn't even give any of this a second look.

[China_hand_Joe]

Originally Posted by Amsterdam

Generally he's a good poster, guess this just hit a real soft spot with him. Either way, he's out of my realm of respect, it's one thing to differ in opinion and another to take things so personally that it becomes a pissing contest instead of a reasonable debate.

What's funny, is that I even talk to IronBull every now and then on MSN and he and I have gotten along well on there, despite him knowing that I despise Khan.

The irony is that he realises that this is all just relevant to my Political beliefs, I actually give Khan fair credit for his amatuer accomplishments, IronBull knows that I don't support public exploitation and that this what I see Khan as.

If there was no insane hype and exploitative marketing and execution surrounding Amir, I really wouldn't even give any of this a second look.

Why do you hold the exploitation against Khan, surely he is just a puppet in it all who has been fooled into believing his own hype -questionmark-

[rooq]

congrats amterdam

very sad but the first thought after that punch landed was "fuck, amsterdam's gonna have a field day with this!"

although khan went down, i'm actually kind of glad he still didn't lose, just because it means there'll be at least another 5 shows on ITV, and there might be the odd half-decent undercard.

well done limond though for almost getting the job done.

[Decebal]

Originally Posted by China_hand_Joe

Why do you hold the exploitation against Khan, surely he is just a puppet in it all who has been fooled into believing his own hype -questionmark-

Given that your keyboard refuses to comply with you, your principled stance against emoticons seems even more worthy of perplexed admiration!

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Originally Posted by Top Dog

Olu, totally agree with you, a lot of the british guys would hammer Khan, he's a total hype job. I have it in my head now, Khan takes on someone like Thaxton and gets smoked, he blames it on weight problems so he moves up a weight, he then runs into Ajose and gets smoked in a couple of rounds Man, I would piss myself laughing When is Ajose back on??

Looks like September/October for Ajose. I doubt ****** would let Khan get in with Ajose as that would be a suicide mission.