Boxing  

Forum Home Boxing Forum European British Classic Aussie MMA Training
Go Back   Boxing News 24 Forum > Boxing > Classic Boxing Forum


View Poll Results: Frazier ahead of Marciano?
Yes 35 49.30%
No 36 50.70%
Voters: 71. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 11-02-2007, 06:00 PM   #46
Bill Butcher
Erik`El Terrible`Morales
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Phoenix Marie`s ass, Fritzl Residence, Glasgow, Scotland.
Posts: 14,262
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Would Frazier rank ahead of Marciano had he retired after beating Ali?

Yes because marciano never faced let alone beat a fighter of Ali`s quality.

If it was all about records, rocky would be voted continously the best ever but the reason Ali wins most votes is because he beat more great fighters.

Frazier ranks above marciano for me anyway, not by much tho.
Bill Butcher is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 11-02-2007, 06:07 PM   #47
Dempsey1238
Champion
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 5,015
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Would Frazier rank ahead of Marciano had he retired after beating Ali?

More great fighters?? I think Ali beat more NAMES.

In regards to great, Marciano beat Walcott, Charles, Louis and Moore.

Ali has Liston, Foreman, and Frazier. And no Ken Norton, Chuck Wepner and Terrel dont count as great fighters.
Dempsey1238 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2007, 06:37 PM   #48
janitor
P4P King
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 21,044
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Would Frazier rank ahead of Marciano had he retired after beating Ali?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Butcher
Yes because marciano never faced let alone beat a fighter of Ali`s quality.
Ali is certainly better than anybody Marciano beat but beyond that it is Rocky all the way.

If you ranked the best people they beat combined it would look a bit like this.

1. Ali
2. Walcott
3. Charles
4. Moore
5. Old Louis
6. Quarry
janitor is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2007, 07:38 PM   #49
OLD FOGEY
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 3,835
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Would Frazier rank ahead of Marciano had he retired after beating Ali?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Butcher
Yes because marciano never faced let alone beat a fighter of Ali`s quality.

If it was all about records, rocky would be voted continously the best ever but the reason Ali wins most votes is because he beat more great fighters.

Frazier ranks above marciano for me anyway, not by much tho.
Good points, but Ali and Foreman would never have beaten Frazier. Where would Ali's reputation have leveled off at if Frazier simply retired as his conquorer? And where would Foreman's be? if he had never beaten Frazier?

Food for thought.

My take is similar to a post by I am Legend which I recalled when I went back through the posts.

Last edited by OLD FOGEY; 11-02-2007 at 08:02 PM.
OLD FOGEY is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2007, 01:49 AM   #50
RoccoMarciano
Blockbuster
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,446
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Would Frazier rank ahead of Marciano had he retired after beating Ali?

Quote:
Originally Posted by I Am Legend
how can you rank frazier above marciano when you throw in fraziers embarassing ko losses to foreman?
Would Rocky beat Foreman?
RoccoMarciano is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2007, 02:29 AM   #51
RoccoMarciano
Blockbuster
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,446
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Would Frazier rank ahead of Marciano had he retired after beating Ali?

Quote:
Originally Posted by janitor
Ali is certainly better than anybody Marciano beat but beyond that it is Rocky all the way.

If you ranked the best people they beat combined it would look a bit like this.

1. Ali
2. Walcott
3. Charles
4. Moore
5. Old Louis
6. Quarry
I don't understand the Ali ranking in that list based on the criteria you provide. The way I read it, Ali was beaten in some way....

Edit: Oops! I was thinking about Ali and Marciano.... Not Frazier and Marciano lol

Last edited by RoccoMarciano; 11-03-2007 at 03:38 PM.
RoccoMarciano is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2007, 05:03 AM   #52
Ezzard
Contender
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: UK
Posts: 1,035
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Would Frazier rank ahead of Marciano had he retired after beating Ali?

Frazier was better than Marciano no matter how you look at it.
Ezzard is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2007, 03:39 PM   #53
RoccoMarciano
Blockbuster
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,446
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Would Frazier rank ahead of Marciano had he retired after beating Ali?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzard
Frazier was better than Marciano no matter how you look at it.
Would Frazier beat Ezzard?
RoccoMarciano is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2007, 04:09 PM   #54
brownpimp88
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,689
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Would Frazier rank ahead of Marciano had he retired after beating Ali?

Quote:
Originally Posted by janitor
Ali is certainly better than anybody Marciano beat but beyond that it is Rocky all the way.

If you ranked the best people they beat combined it would look a bit like this.

1. Ali
2. Walcott
3. Charles
4. Moore
5. Old Louis
6. Quarry
Jerry Quarry ranks higher on heavyweight lists than archie moore does.

Last edited by brooklyn1550; 08-28-2006 at 11:52 PM.
brownpimp88 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2007, 04:13 PM   #55
janitor
P4P King
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 21,044
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Would Frazier rank ahead of Marciano had he retired after beating Ali?

Quote:
Originally Posted by brownpimp88
Jerry Quarry ranks higher on heavyweight lists than archie moore does.
I disagre.

Moore ran rampage in the heavyweight division under Marciano. He was the clear cut No2 guy in the last part of Marcianos run as champion.

1952 [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], Champion
  1. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  2. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  3. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  4. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  5. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  6. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  7. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  8. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  9. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  10. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
1953 [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], Champion
  1. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  2. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  3. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  4. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  5. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  6. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  7. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  8. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  9. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  10. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
1954 [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], Champion
  1. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  2. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  3. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  4. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  5. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  6. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  7. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  8. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  9. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  10. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
1955 [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], Champion
  1. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  2. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  3. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  4. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  5. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  6. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  7. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  8. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  9. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
  10. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
janitor is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2007, 06:21 PM   #56
brownpimp88
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,689
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Would Frazier rank ahead of Marciano had he retired after beating Ali?

Jerry Quarry has a better heavyweight resume.
brownpimp88 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2007, 06:23 PM   #57
Dempsey1238
Champion
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 5,015
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Would Frazier rank ahead of Marciano had he retired after beating Ali?

Quote:
Originally Posted by brownpimp88
Jerry Quarry has a better heavyweight resume.
In regards to losses I hope. Sure if he had Ali on his record, thats better than any one the Rock fought. Does not matter if Quarry lost to Ali. Might as well rank Chuck Wepner over Marciano as he fought BOTH Ali and Liston.
Dempsey1238 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2007, 06:26 PM   #58
janitor
P4P King
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 21,044
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Would Frazier rank ahead of Marciano had he retired after beating Ali?

Quote:
Originally Posted by brownpimp88
Jerry Quarry has a better heavyweight resume.
Debatable.

Nino Valdez and Bob Baker were the two big boys on the block after Joe Walcott and Ezzard Charles fell out of the picture. Moore beat both of them.

He was certainly a better win relative to his own era than Quarry was relative to his own era.

Having said that I can understand how you might think he was a better win.
janitor is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2007, 06:48 PM   #59
brownpimp88
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,689
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Would Frazier rank ahead of Marciano had he retired after beating Ali?

Quote:
Originally Posted by janitor
Debatable.

Nino Valdez and Bob Baker were the two big boys on the block after Joe Walcott and Ezzard Charles fell out of the picture. Moore beat both of them.

He was certainly a better win relative to his own era than Quarry was relative to his own era.

Having said that I can understand how you might think he was a better win.
Its just that jerry quarrys overall list of wins at heavyweight is more impressive than archies wins at that weight and not to mention that quarry was in the prime of his career when frazier fought him.
brownpimp88 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2007, 06:49 PM   #60
brownpimp88
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,689
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Would Frazier rank ahead of Marciano had he retired after beating Ali?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dempsey1238
In regards to losses I hope. Sure if he had Ali on his record, thats better than any one the Rock fought. Does not matter if Quarry lost to Ali. Might as well rank Chuck Wepner over Marciano as he fought BOTH Ali and Liston.
Do floyd patterson, ron lyle and eanrie shavers ring a bell?
brownpimp88 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Reply

Boxing News 24 Forum > Boxing > Classic Boxing Forum

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump





All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:22 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Boxing News 24 Forum 2013