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Old 11-03-2007, 07:03 PM   #61
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Its just that jerry quarrys overall list of wins at heavyweight is more impressive than archies wins at that weight and not to mention that quarry was in the prime of his career when frazier fought him.
Edit: never mind
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Old 11-03-2007, 09:01 PM   #62
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Do floyd patterson, ron lyle and eanrie shavers ring a bell?
Patterson ok, but Lyle and Shavers are over rated, I put more stock in a win over prime Nino or Bob Shatterfiled than I would on Shavers or Lyle though.
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Old 11-03-2007, 09:31 PM   #63
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Patterson ok, but Lyle and Shavers are over rated, I put more stock in a win over prime Nino or Bob Shatterfiled than I would on Shavers or Lyle though.
Rocky beat the guys he needed to beat, end of story. I mean, was he supposed to beat every tom, dick and harry that laced on a pair of gloves?

Crowd draw means something as well....

Getting back to Frazier and Marciano... Marciano beats Frazier in lagacy and head to head - so Marciano has the higher rating regardless.
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Old 11-03-2007, 09:37 PM   #64
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Rocky beat the guys he needed to beat, end of story. I mean, was he supposed to beat every tom, dick and harry that laced on a pair of gloves?

Crowd draw means something as well....

Getting back to Frazier and Marciano... Marciano beats Frazier in lagacy and head to head - so Marciano has the higher rating regardless.
Well Larry Holmes seem to have beating evey Dick, Tom and Harry, now these guys were not great fighters as he choose to face the weaker side instand of the Pages of the world.
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Old 11-03-2007, 09:43 PM   #65
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Well Larry Holmes seem to have beating evey Dick, Tom and Harry, now these guys were not great fighters as he choose to face the weaker side instand of the Pages of the world.
Holmes has nothing to do with Marciano and Frazier. Holmes pretty much cleaned out who he needed to clean out. Holmes had no fear in a boxing ring!
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Old 11-03-2007, 09:48 PM   #66
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Holmes didnt clear out the best like Super Greg Page. Or unify the title. He had to relie on Mike Tyson to do it. Tyson clear it up.
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Old 11-03-2007, 09:53 PM   #67
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Holmes didnt clear out the best like Super Greg Page. Or unify the title. He had to relie on Mike Tyson to do it. Tyson clear it up.
BS, outside of Lewis, the last real linear champion we've had is Larry Holmes.
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Old 11-03-2007, 10:22 PM   #68
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We had Tyson, Spinks, and Holyfiled. Holmes was not the last.
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We had Tyson, Spinks, and Holyfiled. Holmes was not the last.
Are any of those guys worthy?
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Old 11-03-2007, 10:45 PM   #70
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Yes, they were prove there worth. Tyson clean up the divsion Holmes SHOULD have done, Holyfiled brought glory to the divsion during the Tyson prison years with Bowe. With 2 classic title fights.
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Old 11-03-2007, 11:06 PM   #72
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Holmes didnt clear out the best like Super Greg Page. Or unify the title. He had to relie on Mike Tyson to do it. Tyson clear it up.
Back then it was damn near impossible to do so if you weren't a huge attraction like Tyson. Did any of the other guys unify back in Holmes's era? No. They were beating each other for the same titles, while Holmes was staying the dominant champ. It also didn't help with the alpha organizations gaining more and more power every year. After Holmes ditched King in '83 he avoided dealing with King as much as possible. If Larry was offered the right money, he would have fought anyone. Larry is mainly blamed for not unifying because he was the best out there. If Page was the best out there he would get blamed and so on.
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Yes, definitely.
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Its just that jerry quarrys overall list of wins at heavyweight is more impressive than archies wins at that weight and not to mention that quarry was in the prime of his career when frazier fought him.
Moore was the Bernard Hopkins of his era.

He was old but he was still the best man at his own weight and possibly the weight above. He was that good technicaly.

I would be interested to compare the resumes of Moore and Quarry tomorrow but right now I have just come out of Calzaghe Kessler which involved the consumption of many pints.

Good night B,P
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Back then it was damn near impossible to do so if you weren't a huge attraction like Tyson. Did any of the other guys unify back in Holmes's era? No. They were beating each other for the same titles, while Holmes was staying the dominant champ. It also didn't help with the alpha organizations gaining more and more power every year. After Holmes ditched King in '83 he avoided dealing with King as much as possible. If Larry was offered the right money, he would have fought anyone. Larry is mainly blamed for not unifying because he was the best out there. If Page was the best out there he would get blamed and so on.
I think Dempsey is trying to get your goat

He does some good classic posts.
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