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Old 07-17-2007, 10:04 AM   #61
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Ali looks brilliant on film? Most of his fights are boring!
pre-vietnam

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Old 07-17-2007, 10:09 AM   #62
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Ali looks brilliant on film? Most of his fights are boring!
Yeah,

fighting all those "journeyman" like Quarry, Frazier, Liston, Shavers, Patterson, Lyle, Ellis, Young, Chuvalo, Bonavena, Mathis, Terrell, Norton and Foreman certainly made for some real sleepers.
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Old 07-17-2007, 10:15 AM   #63
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fighting all those "journeyman" like Quarry, Frazier, Liston, Shavers, Patterson, Lyle, Ellis, Young, Chuvalo, Bonavena, Mathis, Terrell, Norton and Foreman certainly made for some real sleepers.
Yeah, how can you compare that lot with the as slick as they come Montell Griffin, a fighter of real greatness

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Old 07-17-2007, 10:16 AM   #64
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Senya,

who do you rate higher, in a all time list, Ali or Jones Jr?
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Pre-Vietnam wasn't very entertaining either, except for a couple of bouts.
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Old 07-17-2007, 10:43 AM   #66
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Yeah, how can you compare that lot with the as slick as they come Montell Griffin, a fighter of real greatness


My answer, is that you can't.

Montell Griffin Makes Ali, Holmes, Ellis, Norton, Quarry, Shavers, Frazier and oh, just about everyone else between 1960 and 1980 look like absolute shit.

I learned this school of thought from master Senya, who is a true boxing historian, and who was so kind as to school me on what a true journeyman is...
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Griffin Makes Ali
Good that you mentioned this fact. Clarence Griffin was a very good trainer and he trained his son good, and Eddie Futch continued his work just as wonderfully.
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Old 07-17-2007, 10:55 AM   #68
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Old 07-17-2007, 11:04 AM   #69
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Montell Griffin Makes Ali, Holmes, Ellis, Norton, Quarry, Shavers, Frazier and oh, just about everyone else between 1960 and 1980 look like absolute shit.
I agree, solid post for a Pep fan -fullstop-
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Old 07-17-2007, 11:05 AM   #70
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Good that you mentioned this fact. Clarence Griffin was a very good trainer and he trained his son good, and Eddie Futch continued his work just as wonderfully.
Excellent point.

Of course it's utterly ridicules for me to make the comparison that Jerry Quarry was trained by his father, then later by hall of fame trainer/manager Gil Glancy. The fact is, this journeyman was consistantly rated in the top ten from 1967-1975, and at times was even rated as high as #1 ( during what many consider to be the most competitive era in the sport. ) Despite his wins over top fighters like Earnie Shavers, Thad Spencer, Floyd Patterson, Mac Foster, Ron Lyle, Buster Mathis, Lorenzo Zannon and Jack Bodell, he never captured the world title. What's more his induction into the boxing hall of fame was clearly an oversight, and one that should have gotten the deciding parties permanantely banned from any boxing affiliated entities or activities.

.......The End.........
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Old 07-17-2007, 11:09 AM   #71
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I agree, solid post for a Pep fan -fullstop-
Thank you,

perhaps you've noticed that I did not provide one piece of evidence nor anything to really support my claim. This is a method of debate that I learned from shadowing you in action.
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Old 07-17-2007, 11:42 AM   #72
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1. Robinson
2. Armstrong
3. Greb
4. Duran
5. Pep
6. Langford
7. B Leonard
8. Charles
9. R Leonard
10. Whitaker

I think that the top 6 are locks for any top 10and the top 3 are interchangable depending on what criteria you use
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Old 07-17-2007, 12:07 PM   #73
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Despite his wins over top fighters like Earnie Shavers, Thad Spencer, Floyd Patterson, Mac Foster, Ron Lyle, Buster Mathis, Lorenzo Zannon and Jack Bodell, he never captured the world title.
Montell holds wins over James Toney and Roy Jones Jr, that's more than Quarry could ever dream of, so what's the point mentioning all these tomato cans names (Patterson was shot, having turned into tomato can too)?
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Old 07-17-2007, 12:29 PM   #74
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what's the point mentioning all these tomato cans names (Patterson was shot, having turned into tomato can too)?
LOL

Of course they were tomato cans. Earnie Shavers' record was 45-2-42, at the time he fought Quarry. He's also reguarded by many historians as still having the hardest right hand in history. What's more, he has the testimony of two of the greatest fighters of all time that he was possibly the most dangerous fighter they ever faced. But hey, why let that stop us from giving him his tomato can divinity? Mac Foster was undefeated 24-0-0-24, and hit like a truck. He also had decent wins over Cleveland Willimas and Thad Spencer, but why credit him as being decent or even moderately competent as a fighter? Buster Mathis was a large heavyweight at 6'3" 225lbs, and had a respectable record, with a few decent wins, but hey, who gives a shit? he was still about as tomatoesque as one can possibly get. Ron Lyle was roughly 19-0 when Quarry fought him, and would go on to remaining in the top ten ratings for about the next 5 or 6 years. He is also reguarded as quite possibly the toughest fight that George Foreman had during his prime. Yet, we dare not let these facts stop us from reducing him to what he truly was, which is absolute crap... Am I right? Floyd Patterson, an olympic gold medalist and former two time world champion, was still ranked highly as one of the best fighters during the late 60's when Quarry beat him. What's more, he would continue to fight, and be ranked for at least another five years. Of course, how silly of me to ignore the fact that he was a whole whopping 32 years old, and probably wearing adult diapers into the ring. And let's not forget Jack Bodell, who was the current British Common Wealth heavyweight champion, coming off a career win over Joe Bugner. Although Quarry dusted Bodell in a single round, I'msure we can dismiss it as being nothing short of a fluke.

You're right Senya. Quarry indeed faced tomato cans. What's more, I have been extremely impressed as of late with your understanding of boxing terms and their true meanings, as well as your ability to provide pertainant examples of such terms.....

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Old 07-17-2007, 12:59 PM   #75
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No sense of humor.
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