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Old 07-16-2007, 11:15 AM   #31
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Outclassed him from what I've heard
Of course - he was much taller and had a stronger frame.
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Old 07-16-2007, 11:15 AM   #32
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Outclassed him from what I've heard
Fair enough, but I don't think that was your original point.

You stated that Willie Pep doesn't deserve to be rated on the same level as Sugar Ray Robinson. I in turn, responded by pointing out that the comparrison was irrelevent, given that Pep was an all time great featherweight, while Robinson was an all time great welterweight/middleweight. Ok, so maybe these guys met at featherweight in the amateurs, but that shouldn't have anything to do with how they rate in their own perspective divisions as professionals.
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Old 07-16-2007, 11:16 AM   #33
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Of course - he was much taller and had a stronger frame.
he didnt actually, according to SRR himself, it was a close scrap
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Old 07-16-2007, 11:18 AM   #34
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he didnt actually, according to SRR himself, it was a close scrap
That speaks better of Pep than it does for Robinson, then.
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Old 07-16-2007, 11:20 AM   #35
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Here's 8 fighters better than Beyer and Mundine:

Sandy Saddler
Manuel Ortiz
Chalky Wright
Willie Joyce
Paddy Demarco
Ray Famechon
Sal Bartolo
Jackie Graves
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Old 07-16-2007, 11:26 AM   #36
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Fair enough, but I don't think that was your original point.

You stated that Willie Pep doesn't deserve to be rated on the same level as Sugar Ray Robinson. I in turn, responded by pointing out that the comparrison was irrelevent, given that Pep was an all time great featherweight, while Robinson was an all time great welterweight/middleweight. Ok, so maybe these guys met at featherweight in the amateurs, but that shouldn't have anything to do with how they rate in their own perspective divisions as professionals.
Hypothetically, the greatest featherweight of all time might be inferior to the best 5 welterweights of all time, weight divisons are fairly irrelevant in the context of this thread -fullstop-
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Old 07-16-2007, 11:33 AM   #37
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lol, Pep lost to a larger SRR in the Amateurs; that means nothing when comparing greatness.
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Old 07-16-2007, 11:35 AM   #38
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That speaks better of Pep than it does for Robinson, then.
How so, he goes and fights Pep in his own backyard and beats him, how does that appear better for Pep. whatever advantages Robinson would have in height and reach would be counteracted by a thicker set Pep, they did fight in the same weight class
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Old 07-16-2007, 11:37 AM   #39
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Robinson was weight drained -fullstop-
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Are you a boxer, China Joe?
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Old 07-16-2007, 11:43 AM   #41
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How so, he goes and fights Pep in his own backyard and beats him, how does that appear better for Pep. whatever advantages Robinson would have in height and reach would be counteracted by a thicker set Pep, they did fight in the same weight class
Because Robinson was bigger - naturally bigger.
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China_Hand_Joe is a joke and so is this thread. China_Hand_Joke should be your new name.
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Old 07-16-2007, 11:50 AM   #43
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Are you a boxer, China Joe?
The question is whether some of Pep's opponents should be considered boxers
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The question is whether some of Pep's opponents should be considered boxers
Too clever to be a boxer.
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Old 07-16-2007, 11:51 AM   #45
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The question is whether some of Pep's opponents should be considered boxers
No, the question is "are you right in the head."

I just put on my Pep footage. He's brilliant. If you can't see it you can't be helped. If you don't think he belongs on all time pound for poung lists, that's fine. You won't be correct in most of the fighters you place above him though.
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