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Old 04-26-2008, 02:26 PM   #1
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Default Micheal Nunn vs. Ray Robinson

At middleweight.

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Old 04-26-2008, 02:31 PM   #2
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He has equal if not greater speed, he's larger, a superb boxer, underrated power...

I think he could do it. Robinson could win as well, but...
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Old 04-26-2008, 02:51 PM   #3
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He could outbox him, but I'd fully expect Robinson to stop him in a rematch, if not late in the first meeting over 15 rounds.
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Old 04-26-2008, 03:11 PM   #4
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The first 6 rounds Nunn would take with his speed and jab, SRR would start to time his attacks, close the gap and counter rights over Nunns jab. As the fight goes on SRRs greater punching and combination attacks start to bust Nunn up until hes stopped in the later rounds
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Old 04-26-2008, 03:16 PM   #5
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Nunn liked to let fighters tee-off on him while he laid on the ropes and clowned around.

A recipe for being brutally knocked out by Robinson before the half-way stage.
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Old 04-26-2008, 03:19 PM   #6
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Are folks ignoring the fact that nunn was 6 ft 2,a southpaw and the size of a lt heavy come fight time. Seems robbie the welter is being inflated to ever more mythical proportions.....
Robbie ko1 jesus.
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Old 04-26-2008, 03:22 PM   #7
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Are folks ignoring the fact that nunn was 6 ft 2,a southpaw and the size of a lt heavy come fight time. Seems robbie the welter is being inflated to ever more mythical proportions.....
Robbie ko1 jesus.
Yeah, the Welter who KO'd one of the hardest chinned MW's of all time with one punch. What are we thinking? No way he could've ever been effective at MW. And as well all know, Robbi couldn't hang with any LHW's. You're right.
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Old 04-26-2008, 03:23 PM   #8
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What about the fact Nunn only ever looked good against a very very small number of world class fighters?.

A lazy laid back fighter like Nunn isn't ever going to beat Ray at his middleweight best.

he would have just about the least chance of all the good middles around during his prime.
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Old 04-26-2008, 03:28 PM   #9
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How many fights did robbie have with fullmer?
How many did he win? How many times did he stop fullmer?
How did robbie do against a fighter of similiar size as nunn in maxim? Why didnt robbie ask for a rematch or even campaign again at 175?
Why didnt this greatest of all time not pace himself against maxim,but instead quit? Why did he lose so many times at middle?
Why does robbie not get asked these deeper questions when other fighters have their guts hung out and examined for any small reason?
Questions not adressed to sweet pea,but the forum....
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Old 04-26-2008, 03:30 PM   #10
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Robbie struggled with nearly every world class middle for the title,and lost to many of them. This is NOT the 147 guy we are talking about folks......
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Robbie struggled with nearly every world class middle for the title,and lost to many of them. This is NOT the 147 guy we are talking about folks......
Aside from Kalambay, whom he scored a one punch KO over in the first round(perhaps a fluke?), Nunn didn't look so hot himself against his top competition, that being guys like Barkley and Starling. And of course, he was Ko'd by Toney after doing well early on, for the same reasons that have been mentioned.

Noone said Ray would walk through him, I personally said he'd outbox Ray until getting figured out and stopped late, or at least in a rematch if he was able to pull off the upset Turpin style.

And the majority of Ray's losses at MW were past his prime. 15 of of the 19 took place after the age of 35 for Christ's sake.
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Old 04-26-2008, 03:41 PM   #12
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well nunn was even a big super middle 6foot 3 roughly and was southpaw and very fast where as robinson was an absolute legend but more of a welter he would have boxed at light middle if he was around later he wasnt that big at middle i see this as a 50/50 fight.
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How many fights did robbie have with fullmer?
4, 2 of them when Robby was basically shot. This is pretty common info. If you don't even know the answers to these questions and don't know a simple source for finding the info, why should we take your opinions on the matter seriously?

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How many did he win? How many times did he stop fullmer?
Once. There was also a Draw.

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How did robbie do against a fighter of similiar size as nunn in maxim?
Dominated and outboxed him until getting stopped by the heat in the 14th round I believe, after they had to switch refs for the same reason.

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Why didnt robbie ask for a rematch or even campaign again at 175?
Perhaps the natural WW realized he wasn't at his best at a weight 28 pounds above his natural weight. Could be a possibility.

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Why didnt this greatest of all time not pace himself against maxim,but instead quit?
He didn't quit, he simply could not continue out of fatigue due to the intense heat.

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Why did he lose so many times at middle?
See my last post, 15 of his 19 losses were past the age of 35.

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Why does robbie not get asked these deeper questions when other fighters have their guts hung out and examined for any small reason?
He does, the answers are just very easily answered. You're not blowing anyone's skirt up with this shit, it's not exactly ground breaking stuff, it's just easily explained. The fact that you just learned this stuff today doesn't make the same true of the rest of us.
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Old 04-26-2008, 03:53 PM   #14
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Default Re: Micheal Nunn vs. Ray Robinson

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How many fights did robbie have with fullmer?
How many did he win? How many times did he stop fullmer?
How did robbie do against a fighter of similiar size as nunn in maxim? Why didnt robbie ask for a rematch or even campaign again at 175?
Why didnt this greatest of all time not pace himself against maxim,but instead quit? Why did he lose so many times at middle?
Why does robbie not get asked these deeper questions when other fighters have their guts hung out and examined for any small reason?
Questions not adressed to sweet pea,but the forum....
Robbinson was 36 when these later losses happened, he had 3 losses prior to this, 2 while being outweighed, once being outweighed by 17lbs, another being his 5th fight in 4-5weeks

He was fighting in brutally hot conditions, heavily outweighed and ran out of steam after winning all the early rounds. How did Nunn do against 5'9 Toney (2inches shorter than Robinson). Make Nunn weigh 160 and he won't have a massive strength/size advantage here
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Old 04-26-2008, 03:56 PM   #15
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Obviously some folks dont understand irony,or that a poster can ask questions not for knowledge but rhethorically to emphasise a point.. Robbie lost to fullmer twice,drew once and koed fullmer in the second fight,whilst losing the last bout. But folks just mention that he koed fullmer without mentioning anything else.
Robbie is conveniently shot when losing to fullmer,he dominated maxim yet never asked for a rematch or took on another l heavy. You would think a guy with robbies well known ego would try again at lt heavy if he could dominate a champ like maxim....And the losses to turpin,jones and basilio was because of being shot,right? The magical fullmer triumph came after these two losses,and the basilio loss was one after the fullmer win,so go figure. (basilio the blown up welter.)
Excuses,exuses,excuses.....
PS; roy jones was heavily outweighed against ruiz,spinks smaller than holmes,leonard v lalonde,fitzimmons v heavies,etc,etc,they all found a way to win.....
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