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Old 04-27-2008, 01:47 AM   #1
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Default Marvin Hagler vs This list of fighters

Nigel Benn
Chris Eubank
Michael Watson
Mike McCallum (most underrated fighter of all time)
Gerald Mccellan
Julian Jackson
James Toney
Michael Nunn
Herold Graham
Sumbu Kalambay

you're thoughts on how he would've fared against this list of great fighters
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Old 04-27-2008, 04:05 AM   #2
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Nigel Benn
Chris Eubank
Michael Watson
Mike McCallum (most underrated fighter of all time)
Gerald Mccellan
Julian Jackson
James Toney
Michael Nunn
Herold Graham
Sumbu Kalambay

you're thoughts on how he would've fared against this list of great fighters
Let's assume none of these cats can KO Marvin.
I think the toughest fights would be McLellan and Toney.
Toney for his counter punching since Marvin wasn't the fastest of guys.
And McLellan simply because he had some bombs going, as well as some boxing skill, which Jackson slightly lacks compared.
I really don't know about the others. Those would be some excellent fights, though.

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Old 04-27-2008, 04:44 AM   #3
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Nigel Benn
Chris Eubank
Michael Watson
Mike McCallum (most underrated fighter of all time)
Gerald Mccellan
Julian Jackson
James Toney
Michael Nunn
Herold Graham
Sumbu Kalambay

you're thoughts on how he would've fared against this list of great fighters
In my opinion -

Nigel Benn - Hagler will stop him
Chris Eubank - Hagler wins on points
Michael Watson - after some early frustration, Hagler stops him
Mike McCallum (most underrated fighter of all time) - a classic, but Hagler wins
Gerald Mccellan - another classic, but the same outcome
Julian Jackson - Hagler stops him
James Toney - the hardest 1 imo, a great fighter in his prime Toney, but i pick Hagler on points to grind it out.
Michael Nunn - Hagler will get to him
Herold Graham - Hagler in a hard 1
Sumbu Kalambay - Hagler

All just my opinion, but i dont see these beating him
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Old 04-27-2008, 05:40 AM   #4
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Nigel Benn
Chris Eubank
Michael Watson
Mike McCallum (most underrated fighter of all time)
Gerald Mccellan
Julian Jackson
James Toney
Michael Nunn
Herold Graham
Sumbu Kalambay

you're thoughts on how he would've fared against this list of great fighters

Nigel Benn-mid round KO Hagler
Chris Eubank - UD Hagler
Michael Watson - Late stoppage Hagler
Mike McCallum (most underrated fighter of all time) - Draw or SD Hagler
Gerald Mccellan - Late Stoppage Hagler
Julian Jackson - Mid round KO Hagler
James Toney - UD Hagler
Michael Nunn - Late KO Hagler
Herold Graham - SD Hagler
Sumbu Kalambay - close UD Hagler
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Old 04-27-2008, 05:53 AM   #5
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Nunn beats him. The rest don't


Some great f'n fights!
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Old 04-27-2008, 08:01 PM   #6
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I believe Herol Graham and James Toney would be the hardest fights on the list, but I also reckon Hagler would win every fight on the list.
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Old 04-27-2008, 08:14 PM   #7
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I believe Herol Graham and James Toney would be the hardest fights on the list, but I also reckon Hagler would win every fight on the list.
What about Mike McCallum. Surely he's on par or right behind them at least?
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Old 04-27-2008, 08:21 PM   #8
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Hard Rock Green beats all of them.
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Old 04-27-2008, 08:22 PM   #9
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What about Mike McCallum. Surely he's on par or right behind them at least?
yeah I rate McCallum ahead of both of them, but I think Toney's defence would give Hagler a little bit of trouble and Bomber Graham is ridiculously under rated, he was fantastic.
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Old 04-27-2008, 08:31 PM   #10
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Graham would have been pulverised by Hagler.

Think the first Kalambay fight, only with a lot more leather being put on Graham.He would be gone in six or seven rounds.Earlier if he clowns around.
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Old 04-27-2008, 09:17 PM   #11
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Nigel Benn- Benn would've made for a very interesting matchup for the first half of the fight, but Hagler's effective counters and ability to pick off bullrushing fighters would lead to a mid rounds KO

Chris Eubank- One of the toughest fights to call, most likely fighter to pull off the upset in my opinion. Very unorthodox fighter, good use of movement, countering, angles, power, etc. 50/50

Michael Watson- Very interesting boxing match. Watson had a very good jab and good inside countering skills. He was a very solid technical boxer with good power, but Hagler had a bit more variety, and if he decided to push the pace as Benn did, you can rest assured the ending would not be the same, in fact, Hagler would not be countered as well and would land the more accurate shots, while taking everything Watson threw in stride. He'd UD Watson.

Mike McCallum- Great matchup, McCallum was fantastic, but I'm not sure he was much better a boxer technically than Hagler, as good and versatile as he was. Hagler was the stockier, stronger fighter who'd hold the edge in the trenches. On the outside, it's a very close call, with McCallum's variety and body-punching against Hagler's variety and southpaw jab. In the end though, I can only see Hagler's edge in the exchanges(though McCallum was a great body puncher) giving him a close Decision. This is a very tough one to call.

Gerald Mccellan- Hagler would have some trouble early on with this big puncher, but his boxing and countering skills would eventually lead to him scoring too much for G-Man's game to take effect, and a big puncher isn't the way to beat Hagler.

Julian Jackson- See the Benn fight.

James Toney- Hagler wins this fight much the way I think Hopkins would, with the outside advantage, and if he pressed the fight, you can rest assured it wouldn't be a Toney/Barkley encounter.

Michael Nunn- Hagler would press the fight from the outset, he wouldn't look to box with Nunn, and I think his pressure against the sometimes lackadaisical Nunn would lead to a TKO at some point, or a Decision win, but Nunn has the potential to give him trouble.

Herold Graham- Same as Nunn, but I'd take Hagler to stop him.

Sumbu Kalambay- Hagler is simply better.
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Old 04-27-2008, 09:45 PM   #12
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a few fights that could be close and fun to see but i would have to chose hagler over almost all of them, his toughness and for the most part superior skill would allow him to outlast the punchers and outbox the boxers. i would however favor james toney
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Nigel Benn- Benn would've made for a very interesting matchup for the first half of the fight, but Hagler's effective counters and ability to pick off bullrushing fighters would lead to a mid rounds KO
It would be interesting to see how long he'd last more than anything else. Hagler's uppercut would be the weapon to shake-up Benn as he surged forward. Benn's jab wasn't as effective as Hagler's, as it was used as a range finder with not much authority behind it at the best of times. This fight would be a war as Benn would always come off second best against Hagler in an 'outright' boxing match. He'd opt for a tear-up. Hagler TKO8

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Chris Eubank- One of the toughest fights to call, most likely fighter to pull off the upset in my opinion. Very unorthodox fighter, good use of movement, countering, angles, power, etc. 50/50
Eubank was an awkward customer at the best of times. Unpredictable without being too unorthodox at the same time. Defensively better than Benn, who prefered to slip and slide. Eubank was cagey with a low punch output, depending on what was put in front of him. If Eubank was forced into a battle he'd fire right back. He was known to 'telegraph' his right hand. He'd wind it up, close his eyes, and loop it. Hagler had the brain to suss these punches, make Eubank miss, then capatalize effectively. He'd more than likely take Hagler the distance as he was durable. Hagler on points.

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Michael Watson- Very interesting boxing match. Watson had a very good jab and good inside countering skills. He was a very solid technical boxer with good power, but Hagler had a bit more variety, and if he decided to push the pace as Benn did, you can rest assured the ending would not be the same, in fact, Hagler would not be countered as well and would land the more accurate shots, while taking everything Watson threw in stride. He'd UD Watson.
You missed one of Watson's best attributes, his workrate. He could go all night long and was usually extremely accurate at the same time. But he wouldn't be as accurate against Hagler. Peek-a-boo defense similarly to Winky. He could lead or counter with equal efficiency. Hagler has the option of boxing side to side, something Benn never quite grasped against Watson. I reckon Hagler would do a similar job on Watson that McCallum done. Simply breaking him down with the jab and picking his punches, especially to the body. Hagler TKO 11.

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Mike McCallum- Great matchup, McCallum was fantastic, but I'm not sure he was much better a boxer technically than Hagler, as good and versatile as he was. Hagler was the stockier, stronger fighter who'd hold the edge in the trenches. On the outside, it's a very close call, with McCallum's variety and body-punching against Hagler's variety and southpaw jab. In the end though, I can only see Hagler's edge in the exchanges(though McCallum was a great body puncher) giving him a close Decision. This is a very tough one to call.
This fight would be brilliant on the eye. Probably Hagler's toughest fight out all these match-ups. McCallum had a good defense, a superb jab, quick hands, and a brain to equal Hagler's. They also shared one thing in common more than anything else, a granite chin. However, Hagler's ring generalship had a bit more to it regarding movement. McCallum was inclinded to stand at arms length more often. Both fighters had superb technique and a wide variety of punches. I'd probably pick Hagler via SD.

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Gerald Mccellan- Hagler would have some trouble early on with this big puncher, but his boxing and countering skills would eventually lead to him scoring too much for G-Man's game to take effect, and a big puncher isn't the way to beat Hagler.
As big a puncher as McClellan was at middleweight, not sure his heavy weaponry would trouble the iron chinned Hagler. Tactically he wasn't as smart as Eubank or McCallum. I can't see Hagler messing around with him and being cautious. This would be exciting with a capital E. Hagler KO2. Accurate hard bombs would be too much for the G-man along with Hagler's determination and durbality.

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Julian Jackson- See the Benn fight.
Jackson would be outboxed and broken down. He was a very hard puncher and I'm afraid that alone isn't going to beat Hagler. Jackson doesn't have the ability to outscore him, not by a long shot. I can see Hagler gradually forcing his way forward and going in for the kill around the 5th.

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James Toney- Hagler wins this fight much the way I think Hopkins would, with the outside advantage, and if he pressed the fight, you can rest assured it wouldn't be a Toney/Barkley encounter.
Agreed. Toney would give Hagler a decent inside battle, but not on the outside. This would be a very competitive fight, that I can say with confidence. Toney's fluid offensive and defensive co-ordination alone means this goes well into the late rounds. But Hagler's steady workrate and and straight left hand out of the southpaw stance would tag Toney. Hagler has the same ability to do what McCallum done, but go one better IMO. Hagler points.

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Michael Nunn- Hagler would press the fight from the outset, he wouldn't look to box with Nunn, and I think his pressure against the sometimes lackadaisical Nunn would lead to a TKO at some point, or a Decision win, but Nunn has the potential to give him trouble.
Hagler would need to attack and cut the ring off, probably like never before. Nunn's showboating and hands down style would be his undoing. Hagler would be made to look a fool over the first 3-4 rounds, but the body shots would slow down Nunn. His quick hands and timing are crucial here, no question. Nunn could well be leading on the cards before being taken out brutally down the stretch.

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Herold Graham- Same as Nunn, but I'd take Hagler to stop him.
A bit like the Nunn fight. Hagler gets him late after possibly trailing on the cards. Hagler's killer instinct and will to win, too much.

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Sumbu Kalambay- Hagler is simply better.
Never seen much of Kalambay. From what I have seen, Hagler stops him late. Hazey prediction.

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Nigel Benn- Benn would've made for a very interesting matchup for the first half of the fight, but Hagler's effective counters and ability to pick off bullrushing fighters would lead to a mid rounds KO

Chris Eubank- One of the toughest fights to call, most likely fighter to pull off the upset in my opinion. Very unorthodox fighter, good use of movement, countering, angles, power, etc. 50/50

Michael Watson- Very interesting boxing match. Watson had a very good jab and good inside countering skills. He was a very solid technical boxer with good power, but Hagler had a bit more variety, and if he decided to push the pace as Benn did, you can rest assured the ending would not be the same, in fact, Hagler would not be countered as well and would land the more accurate shots, while taking everything Watson threw in stride. He'd UD Watson.

Mike McCallum- Great matchup, McCallum was fantastic, but I'm not sure he was much better a boxer technically than Hagler, as good and versatile as he was. Hagler was the stockier, stronger fighter who'd hold the edge in the trenches. On the outside, it's a very close call, with McCallum's variety and body-punching against Hagler's variety and southpaw jab. In the end though, I can only see Hagler's edge in the exchanges(though McCallum was a great body puncher) giving him a close Decision. This is a very tough one to call.

Gerald Mccellan- Hagler would have some trouble early on with this big puncher, but his boxing and countering skills would eventually lead to him scoring too much for G-Man's game to take effect, and a big puncher isn't the way to beat Hagler.

Julian Jackson- See the Benn fight.

James Toney- Hagler wins this fight much the way I think Hopkins would, with the outside advantage, and if he pressed the fight, you can rest assured it wouldn't be a Toney/Barkley encounter.

Michael Nunn- Hagler would press the fight from the outset, he wouldn't look to box with Nunn, and I think his pressure against the sometimes lackadaisical Nunn would lead to a TKO at some point, or a Decision win, but Nunn has the potential to give him trouble.

Herold Graham- Same as Nunn, but I'd take Hagler to stop him.

Sumbu Kalambay- Hagler is simply better.
Excellent all round calls
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Old 04-27-2008, 10:22 PM   #15
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Kevin Finnegan was better than all of these fighters.
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