Stevie "Lil' But Bad" Johnston

[sweet_scientist]

Originally Posted by Mantequilla

My favourite lightweight champion at that time was Grigorian.

he was a big waste of talent.Al of the champions were good, it's a shame non of them fought.

How do you see fights between Grigorian and Johnston/Bazan/Castillo playing out Mantequilla?

[sweet_scientist]

My card for Johnston-Bazan I: 115-114 Johnston
Cesar winning rounds 3,4,8,10 and 12.
Stevie winning rounds 1,5,6,7,9 and 11.
Round 2 even.

This one could have gone either way though. 2nd round could go to Bazan and the 11th was close to an even round I think.

[Russell]

Why was this guy so consistently robbed, out of curiosity?

[WhataRock]

Maybe it was his style, workmanlike and tricky, wasnt a guy who wowed you with sweeping moves or big punching, he just got to work and picked you apart....excellent little fighter who hangs with a lot of guys at the weight alltime and gives them hell I imagine.

[Xplosive]

Originally Posted by pryorgatti

Solid southpaw technician.

Always wondered if he had what it takes to edge Floyd Mayweather Jr @ 135.

No, he didnt.

Stevie was a very good fighter, in his prime he would have given alot of lightweights a run for thier money, and beaten many others. I think he'd beat any of the current lightweights.

Floyd was just a bit too talented, and good though, and would have clearly outpointed Stevie.

[good right hand]

stevie would be threat to mayweather imo, he could use his size to the advantage and if he got mayweather on the ropes... as many advantages that mayweather has, i dont think the ability to counter stevie off the ropes without the aid of his great foot speed would be one of them.

stevie was so akward when i remember him, he would come out from below and plant his head right in front of the slit of a fighters peek a boo guard and just work right uppercuts and left crosses down the middle. then when you try and punch and spin away, he would slip that punch, counter and then put his face right between the slit of your gloves again and punching through the middle again.

[WhataRock]

Though Im of the belief that Mayweather would have to much for Stevie and would likely outpoint him...He hasnt faced anyone like him, certainly not in his superfeather-lightweight days...I suppose he fought guys like Corley, Mitchell and Judah later on but comparing them to Johnston is just to much of a stretch..Stevie was nothing like them apart from the stance and at his best would have been better then all of the versions of those fighters PBF faced.

Would have been an intriguing matchup IMO.

[My2Sense]

Very underrated/overlooked fighter. Shame he never got the big fights with Mosley or Mayweather.

[sweet_scientist]

Originally Posted by WhataRock

Though Im of the belief that Mayweather would have to much for Stevie and would likely outpoint him...He hasnt faced anyone like him, certainly not in his superfeather-lightweight days...I suppose he fought guys like Corley, Mitchell and Judah later on but comparing them to Johnston is just to much of a stretch..Stevie was nothing like them apart from the stance and at his best would have been better then all of the versions of those fighters PBF faced.

Would have been an intriguing matchup IMO.

Agree Rock.

[bladerunner]

SS do you think hes a HOF?

i think based on some of the inductees in recent years that he should make it.

[sweet_scientist]

Originally Posted by bladerunner

SS do you think hes a HOF?

i think based on some of the inductees in recent years that he should make it.

I think you and most other sensible people would be with me blade in thinking that he satisfies the Zaragoza-McGuigan-Mitchell test for entry, but if the HOF was a serious institution he should be the type that falls just short of HOF status.

It will pain me greatly when the likes of Jose Luis Castillo make it to the HOF and someone like Stevie doesn't even get on the ballot for candidacy. He was surely no inferior fighter to a Jose Luis Castillo.

Thems the breaks though unfortunately. I mean, you really have to question the priorities of the HOF when guys like Mitchell get in and guys like Famechon, Rose, Laciar, Winstone and Moore aren't even on the ballot for selection.

[GPater11093]

who decides the HOF entry ballot

[sweet_scientist]

Originally Posted by GPater11093

who decides the HOF entry ballot

Lifted from boxrec's page on the HOF:

"Members of the Hall of Fame fall into five categories: Modern, Old-Timer, Pioneer, Non-Participant, and Observer, and are chosen by a vote of 150 boxing experts, historians, and writers. The voters hail from all parts of the globe. In order to be placed on the ballot, individuals must first clear a pre-screening committee of boxing historians. Modern fighters are additionally required to have been retired for five years. Non-participants can be elected to the Hall of Fame even if they are still active, assuming they have achieved enough in their careers to merit selection.
The board of directors of the Hall of Fame determines how many people are to be inducted each year. The candidates who accrue the most votes are those who become inductees. Ballots are mailed out on November 1 each year with the announcement of the new class of inductees coming in mid-January."

[sweet_scientist]

My Johnston-Manfredy card: 116-113 Johnston

I gave rounds 2,4,5 and 12 to Manfredy. I gave rounds 1,3,6,7,8,10 and 11 to Johnston.
I had rounds 9 even (10-10).

Great action fight this was, with Johnston proving himself to be a little bit sharper all round. Angel tried his guts out though, despite getting worked over pretty good in the second half of the bout.

[The Funny Man 7]

The Mitchell win was an outstanding performance.