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Old 03-05-2013, 03:35 PM   #31
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No, what you said was:

That's some pretty inflammatory rhetoric. If you, me or anyone else is going to be making comments like this that have zero basis in reality, then we'd better be ready to back it up with some pretty convincing evidence that supports our claim. Or the many well-researched people here will call us out on it. Don't you agree?
Same thing, different wording.
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:39 PM   #32
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Same thing, different wording.
So by telling us to read a history book you actually mean read wiki
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:41 PM   #33
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So by telling us to read a history book you actually mean read wiki
No, i looked up the black press on wiki. You're not the sharpest tool n the box.
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:44 PM   #34
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No, i looked up the black press on wiki. You're not the sharpest tool n the box.
So what history book were you reading to come up with the race-oriented conspiracy?
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:48 PM   #35
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Ouch!! This is almost to obscene to Post. We'll have a 20 by 20 Ring so they can't run to much, Big George Foreman is the Ref to take up more space. LaMotta vs. Zivic, forget about it. This is truly a Blood letting. Oh and I pick Greb 15 rd. U.D., and thats only if both aren't D.Qd.
Fritzie was never thrown out for fouling.
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:50 PM   #36
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So what history book were you reading to come up with the race-oriented conspiracy?
If your not familiar with the lack of racial equality in the very early 1900's you're beyond my help.
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:56 PM   #37
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Dino ya know both Greb vs Flowers title fights were very kind to Flowers
Your not on firm footing here and ya don't even know it!!
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:25 PM   #38
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Same thing, different wording.
Here:

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Those are invaluable websites to anyone interested in boxing history from a "Black" point of view. Enjoy.
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Old 03-06-2013, 05:09 AM   #39
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Greb, if you believe what you heard from a man who heard from another man.
Greb was a faux legend created by white people desperate to have an invincible champ who wasn't black.
Maybe he was great, but how great nobody knows for sure.
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Old 03-06-2013, 08:09 AM   #40
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It's official. Greb is overrated.
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Old 03-06-2013, 08:18 AM   #41
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Dinovelvets off of his meds again
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Old 03-06-2013, 10:07 AM   #42
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Dinovelvets off of his meds again
Sure is b. To now imply that Harry Greb was the product of "white" men
cannot go unchallenged. Where does it end ? Einstein was a product of
whites to bolster up their ego.? Joe louis was a product of black pride to
right the wrongs of society ? No ,Harry Greb tackled every race of fighters,
and for this poster to demean the memory of Harry Greb's greatness
untainted by racial prejudice, is a new low by a misguided poster...
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Old 03-06-2013, 10:35 AM   #43
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Greb, if you believe what you heard from a man who heard from another man.
Greb was a faux legend created by white people desperate to have an invincible champ who wasn't black.
Maybe he was great, but how great nobody knows for sure.
Unbelievable ignorance, that this could from any boxing fan.

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According to wiki the black press was born in the 1970's.
All im saying is the mythos could of been exaggerated to some extent.
This from a time when it was against the law to own footage of Jack Johnson beating white challenges.
Fight fixing was also predominant.
There comes a time, when any of us finding ourselves on the losing end of an argument, has to decide if we're gonna man up and admit if we got it wrong, or continue whinging and making excuses. You've had chapter and verse quoted at you, and you're still trying to wheedle your way out of admitting the truth.

As that wonderful article that Surf-Bat posted testifies...Greb's awesome record speaks for itself. He won the respect of boxers and fight aficionados of all races. Hasn't it occurred to you that there are specialists on this forum who often know far more than a Wiki article?

Even if you managed to find one of Greb's fights where you think questions are raised, with ol' Harry there'll be another two dozen to prove he's the man.

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Old 03-06-2013, 10:56 AM   #44
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Unbelievable ignorance, that this could from any boxing fan.

There comes a time, when any of us finding ourselves on the losing end of an argument, has to decide if we're gonna man up and admit if we got it wrong, or continue whinging and making excuses. You've had chapter and verse quoted at you, and you're still trying to wheedle your way out of admitting the truth.

As that wonderful article that Surf-Bat posted testifies...Greb's awesome record speaks for itself. Hasn't it occured to you that there are specialists on this forum who often know far more than a Wiki article?

Even if you managed to find one of Greb's fights where you think questions are raised, with ol' Harry there'll be another two dozen to prove he's the man.
It was very biased writing at the time. It was for policical reasons the white man had to win. When Johnson won it caused riots and multiple deaths.. Dont look to blame me if you dont agree with that....... I didn't pass any judgement on Greb himself as im not eduacted enough, just on the consenus of racial inequality.... If you dont think fights were fixed and writings glorified in favour of white men its naiveity......
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Old 03-06-2013, 10:57 AM   #45
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The fact not a sinner debated the thread topic or went into any great detail speaks for its self.
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