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Old 07-16-2007, 04:12 PM   #1
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Default Barney Ross FIRST 3 three weight divisions champ.

Between the years 1933-1935, Ross Held The Lightweight, the Jr Welterweight and the Welterweight titles. In the year 1934 with his victory of McLarin, Ross became the FIRST man to hold 3 weight titles at the same time. He would vacate the lightweight and JrWelterweight title.

So Who sould rank higher Armstrong?? Or Ross?? Does this knock Henry Armstrong back down the ranks and put Ross as the top 3 pound for pound?
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Old 07-16-2007, 04:13 PM   #2
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Any source of it please?
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Old 07-16-2007, 04:14 PM   #3
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1933
Jan 20 Johnny Datto Pittsburgh, Pa KO 2
Feb 22 Tommy Grogan Chicago, Il W 10
Mar 22 Billy Petrolle Chicago, Il W 10
Mar 26 Tony Canzoneri Chicago, Il W 10
-Junior Welterweight Championship of the World;
Lightweight Championship of the World
May 4 Joe Ghnouly St. Louis, Mo W 10
Jul 26 Johnny Farr Kansas City, Mo TK 6
Sep 12 Tony Canzoneri New York, NY W 15
-Junior Welterweight Championship of the World;
Lightweight Championship of the World
Nov 17 Sammy Fuller Chicago, Il W 10
-Junior Welterweight Championship of the World

1934
Jan 24 Billy Petrolle New York, NY W 10
Feb 7 Pete Nebo Kansas City, Mo W 12
-Junior Welterweight Championship of the World
Mar 5 Frankie Klick San Francisco, Ca D 10
-Junior Welterweight Championship of the World
Mar 14 Kid Moro Oakland, Ca W 10
Mar 27 Bobby Pacho Los Angeles, Ca W 10
May 28 Jimmy McLarnin New York, NY W 15
-Welterweight Championship of the World
Sep 17 Jimmy McLarnin New York, NY L 15
-Welterweight Championship of the World
Dec 10 Bobby Pacho Cleveland, Oh W 12
-Junior Welterweight Championship of the World

1935
Jan 28 Frankie Klick Miami, Fl W 10
-Junior Welterweight Championship of the World
Apr 9 Henry Woods Seattle, Wa W 12
-Junior Welterweight Championship of the World
Apr -Ross relinquished the Lightweight Championship of the World
and the Junior Welterweight Championship of the World
May 28 Jimmy McLarnin New York, NY W 15
-Welterweight Championship of the World
Sep 6 "Baby" Joe Gans Portland, Or TK 2
Sep 13 Ceferino Garcia San Francisco, Ca W 10
Nov 29 Ceferino Garcia Chicago, Il W 10
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Old 07-16-2007, 04:15 PM   #4
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And Boxing Rec if you cant amitted it.

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Note it says April 1935. Well after Ross beat McLarin to hold the 3 titles.
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Old 07-16-2007, 04:20 PM   #5
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Default Re: Barney Ross FIRST 3 three weight divisions champ.

Junior welterweight existed back then ?
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Old 07-16-2007, 04:21 PM   #6
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Yes The lineal line for that title.

Pinky Mitchell (1922-1926)
Mushy Callahan (1926-1930)
Jackie "Kid" Berg (1930-1931)
Tony Canzoneri (1931-1932)
Johnny Jadick (1932-1933)
Battling Shaw (1933)
Tony Canzoneri (1933)
Barney Ross [1933-1935, vacates title]
Tippy Larkin [1946: vacates title; division lapses until 1959]
Carlos Ortiz (1959-1960)
Duilio Loi (1960-1962)
Eddie Perkins (1962)
Duilio Loi [1962, Loi retires 1/23/1963]
Eddie Perkins (1963-1965)
Carlos Hernandez (1965-1966)
Sandro Lopopolo (1966-1967)
Paul Fuji (1967-196
Nicolino Loche (1968-1972)
Alfonso "Peppermint" Frazer (1972)
Antonio Cervantes (1972-1976)
Wilfredo Benitez [1976-1979, vacates title]
Aaron Pryor (1983-1986, abandons title)
Julio Cesar Chavez 1990-1994
Frankie Randall (1994)
Julio Cesar Chavez (1994-1996)
Oscar De La Hoya (1996-1997, vacates title)
Kostya Tszyu(2001 to 2005)
Ricky Hatton (2005 to date)
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Old 07-16-2007, 04:23 PM   #7
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Default Re: Barney Ross FIRST 3 three weight divisions champ.

But he was NOT the FIRST.
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Old 07-16-2007, 04:25 PM   #8
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Default Re: Barney Ross FIRST 3 three weight divisions champ.

They were saying Ross relinquished one of those titles before winning the 3rd, although I never saw exact sources or quotes for that.
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Default Re: Barney Ross FIRST 3 three weight divisions champ.

Ok thanks Dempsey.
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Old 07-16-2007, 04:28 PM   #10
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Default Re: Barney Ross FIRST 3 three weight divisions champ.

He vacted Both titles in Apr 1935. He won the all 3 titles from 1933-1934, with his first win over McLarin. He would lose the title back to McLarin, Vacate both titles, and regain the title from McLarin in 35.
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Default Re: Barney Ross FIRST 3 three weight divisions champ.

The problem is Ross' 140lbs claim is only recognized by Illinois (Barney Ross; by Douglas Century and The BBB of C Yearbook; Barry J Hughman).
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Old 07-16-2007, 04:31 PM   #12
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Back than stripping was pretty rare, Ross was defended his titles vs the likes of Canzi and McLarin, He WON the that 140 title from Canzi who was also Weight jumping. Neither has lost that belt in the ring before there first fight. Ross was also defended it against power foes like Cani, and Jackie Berg. It was legit.
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Back than stripping was pretty rare, Ross was defended his titles vs the likes of Canzi and McLarin, He WON the that 140 title from Canzi who was also Weight jumping. Neither has lost that belt in the ring before there first fight. Ross was also defended it against power foes like Cani, and Jackie Berg. It was legit.
But it was a World Title, a piece of alphabet crap, it was not the World Championship, unlike his 135 and 147lb crowns.
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Old 07-16-2007, 04:35 PM   #14
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When Caniz held it it was a WORLD title. It was a WORLD title when he lost to Ross.
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When Caniz held it it was a WORLD title. It was a WORLD title when he lost to Ross.
No, neither the NBA nor the NYSAC, nor the IBU, nor The Ring recognized it, when Canzoneri won it, it was recognized by only Louisiana and when Ross beat Canzoneri, Illinois recognized the belt...
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