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Old 07-16-2007, 04:42 PM   #16
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The following list gives credit to "The Man Who Beat The Man." As always, ludicrous decisions of "sanctioning bodies" are ignored. The title had been created by the New York Legislature in the Walker Law (1920).The NBA recognized the division on Jan. 22, 1922, but no champion was named. Several fighters claimed the title -- "Oakland" Jimmy Duffy, Richie Mitchell, his brother Pinky Mitchell, and Eddie Fitzsimmons. The Boxing Blade magazine held a vote whereby the fans named Pinky Mitchell as the inaugural champion, and we start our lineage with that democratic decision. Explore our On-Line Boxing Encyclopedia for more info. Comments can be sent to the Editors.Ciao!

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The following list gives credit to "The Man Who Beat The Man." As always, ludicrous decisions of "sanctioning bodies" are ignored. The title had been created by the New York Legislature in the Walker Law (1920).The NBA recognized the division on Jan. 22, 1922, but no champion was named. Several fighters claimed the title -- "Oakland" Jimmy Duffy, Richie Mitchell, his brother Pinky Mitchell, and Eddie Fitzsimmons. The Boxing Blade magazine held a vote whereby the fans named Pinky Mitchell as the inaugural champion, and we start our lineage with that democratic decision. Explore our On-Line Boxing Encyclopedia for more info. Comments can be sent to the Editors.Ciao!



Pinky Mitchell (1922-1926)
Mushy Callahan (1926-1930)
Jackie "Kid" Berg (1930-1931)
Tony Canzoneri (1931-1932)
Johnny Jadick (1932-1933)
Battling Shaw (1933)
Tony Canzoneri (1933)
Barney Ross [1933-1935, vacates title]
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The following list gives credit to "The Man Who Beat The Man." As always, ludicrous decisions of "sanctioning bodies" are ignored. The title had been created by the New York Legislature in the Walker Law (1920).The NBA recognized the division on Jan. 22, 1922, but no champion was named. Several fighters claimed the title -- "Oakland" Jimmy Duffy, Richie Mitchell, his brother Pinky Mitchell, and Eddie Fitzsimmons. The Boxing Blade magazine held a vote whereby the fans named Pinky Mitchell as the inaugural champion, and we start our lineage with that democratic decision. Explore our On-Line Boxing Encyclopedia for more info. Comments can be sent to the Editors.Ciao!

And than we have the LINE
THE CYBER BOXING ZONE
presents
THE LINEAL JUNIOR WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPIONS
The following list gives credit to "The Man Who Beat The Man." As always, ludicrous decisions of "sanctioning bodies" are ignored. The title had been created by the New York Legislature in the Walker Law (1920).The NBA recognized the division on Jan. 22, 1922, but no champion was named. Several fighters claimed the title -- "Oakland" Jimmy Duffy, Richie Mitchell, his brother Pinky Mitchell, and Eddie Fitzsimmons. The Boxing Blade magazine held a vote whereby the fans named Pinky Mitchell as the inaugural champion, and we start our lineage with that democratic decision. Explore our On-Line Boxing Encyclopedia for more info. Comments can be sent to the Editors.Ciao!



Pinky Mitchell (1922-1926)
Mushy Callahan (1926-1930)
Jackie "Kid" Berg (1930-1931)
Tony Canzoneri (1931-1932)
Johnny Jadick (1932-1933)
Battling Shaw (1933)
Tony Canzoneri (1933)
Barney Ross [1933-1935, vacates title]
That is Cyberzone, they are using hindsight and spinning history to suit their means (which they are admitting to). Both my sources (Douglas Century and Barry Hugman) researched information of the time...
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Old 07-16-2007, 04:54 PM   #18
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Also Boxing Rec Also Called it a World Jr title.There was no mention of it being some backward title in Illios.
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Old 07-16-2007, 04:58 PM   #19
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Also Boxing Rec Also Called it a World Jr title.There was no mention of it being some backward title in Illios.
Well get your BBB of C book out then...

Boxrec is a great site, but it has many, many flaws (which it will admit to).

Barney Ross was a brilliant fighter and to hold World Championship at 135lbs and 147lbs is an amazing feat, there is no need to try and up it.
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Old 07-16-2007, 04:58 PM   #20
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Incidentaly Terry McGovern should have been the first to hold three titles.

He won the bantemweight and featherweight titles and should have been awarded the lightweight title as well.
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Old 07-16-2007, 05:05 PM   #21
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It was a WORLD TITLE. The Ring REFUSE to give any JR titles at the time no honors because Nat did not belive in them. And Ross beat Caniz for the title. It was not taking it from some jouryman. Most books will say Ross was the WORLD JR title.

The Untimate Enecyclopedia of Boxing by Harry Mullan called it a WORLD Title.
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It was a WORLD TITLE. The Ring REFUSE to give any JR titles at the time no honors because Nat did not belive in them.
Yes I agree!!! It was 'A World TITLE', but it was not 'THE World CHAMPIONSHIP', unlike his reigns at 135 and 147.
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Old 07-16-2007, 05:12 PM   #23
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It was the World Championship of the World. Cani and others before him beat any one before Ross that had a claim to that belt. Cani made it WORLD Championship.
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Old 07-16-2007, 05:14 PM   #24
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page 162 of The Untimate Enecyclopedia of Boxing by Harry Mullan.

When it does it line.

Ross beats Canzi than goes on to defend it against Farr, Cani, Fullmer, Nebo, Panco, Panco again, Klick and Woods before he gives the title up on April 9th 1935.
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Old 07-16-2007, 05:20 PM   #25
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Also from the book

Controversy dogged the new divsion, weight limit, 140lbs. The New York commission redrew recognition in 1930,(Kid Berg was champ) and the British Board would not even accept there own Jack Kid Berg as champion when he beat Mushy Callahan at the Albert Hall in 1930. The Divsion fell out of order when Ross opted to defend his Welter-weight title instand. Carlos Ortiz got it up and running.

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And Shaw won it from Jadick who beat Caniz for the title.
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When Caniz held it it was a WORLD title. It was a WORLD title when he lost to Ross.
Canzoneri beat Battling Shaw for the Louisiana version of the 140lbs crown, then Canzoneri lost that title to Ross. Check the source you gave me Boxrec.com...

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Old 07-16-2007, 05:27 PM   #29
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And Shaw WON it from Johnny Jadick, WHO BEAT Caniz for the title. Caniz beat Berg who beat Callahnan who NBA withdrew from only because he denfeded the title in England.
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And Shaw WON it from Johnny Jadick, WHO BEAT Caniz for the title. Caniz beat Berg who beat Callahnan who NBA withdrew from only because he denfeded the title in England.
But it was a World Title, not a World Championship; there is a huge difference. I have won a World Title, and trust me I am not 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000th the boxer Ross was!
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