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Old 07-16-2007, 05:37 PM   #31
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It was the LINEAL WORLD Championship of the world. They had NO RIGHT to with draw Callahnan because he defended it against Kid Berg. Berg was a GREAT fighter. Berg was perhaps the best choice at the time of the defense. They withdrew because they wanted the title to STAY In America. And not in the hands of a brit. No right to withdraw. No right at all. So it is a WORLD Championship because of the unjest stripping of Callahnan. and any man that beats Berg, is the rightful champion, and so forth.
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Old 07-16-2007, 05:44 PM   #32
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It was the LINEAL WORLD Championship of the world. They had NO RIGHT to with draw Callahnan because he defended it against Kid Berg. Berg was a GREAT fighter. Berg was perhaps the best choice at the time of the defense. They withdrew because they wanted the title to STAY In America. And not in the hands of a brit. No right to withdraw. No right at all. So it is a WORLD Championship because of the unjest stripping of Callahnan. and any man that beats Berg, is the rightful champion, and so forth.
As Cyberzone admit, they are making it up, it is only Cyberzone's opinion:

"The Boxing Blade magazine held a vote whereby the fans named Pinky Mitchell as the inaugural champion, and we start our lineage with that democratic decision."

It is not historically correct, the only people who recognized Ross as Champion at 140lbs were the people running the Illinois Boxing Commisson...
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Old 07-16-2007, 05:53 PM   #33
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And the Lineal line, Callahan beat Divodi for the NBA and New Yourk titles which means in a Alpha sense in that day and age, he was the WORLD Championship of the world. He was only lacking the BBC title. They WITHDREW from Callahan when he decided to fight Jack Kid Berg.

Look at Lewis, they withdrew from him the MOVEMENT he unify all the titles, and he still was the WORLD Heavyweight Championship of the World when he lost to Rahman. The title just pass down on to Rahamn all though we had Ruiz and a few other guys claiming to be champs.
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If Ross was only recognized in Illinois what's he doing defending the 140 pound championship under those other state's jurisdiction?
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Old 07-16-2007, 06:04 PM   #35
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And the Lineal line, Callahan beat Divodi for the NBA and New Yourk titles which means in a Alpha sense in that day and age, he was the WORLD Championship of the world. He was only lacking the BBC title. They WITHDREW from Callahan when he decided to fight Jack Kid Berg.
I think you along with many others do not understand what lineage means. But I will give you your 'lineage', it just another piece of alphabet crap. Ross never was the Junior Welterweight Champion of the World. You can spin it now to give him your 'lineage' and quote people who want to re-write history, hindsight can change things now, but it cannot change facts as they happened; and the fact was between 1933 and 1935 only Illinois had Ross as a world title holder at 140lbs...
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If Ross was only recognized in Illinois what's he doing defending the 140 pound championship under those other state's jurisdiction?
Fighters often fought outside the state of their world title recognition.
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Old 07-16-2007, 06:10 PM   #37
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Ross was the lineal champ, Pinky was the FIRST Champ, poll or not, and Callahnan beat him. Than Callahnan beat the other climates to be the unfiy champ. You will not amitted it. Who ever beat Callahnan from THAT point on, will be the Lineal and rightful champ.
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Old 07-16-2007, 06:14 PM   #38
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Ross was the lineal champ, Pinky was the FIRST Champ, poll or not, and Callahnan beat him. Than Callahnan beat the other climates to be the unfiy champ. You will not amitted it. Who ever beat Callahnan from THAT point on, will be the Lineal and rightful champ.
The fact is the title was the illinois world title, you cannot spin that. You can create your lineage in 2007, but it is with over 70 years of hindsight thrown in, you cannot scrub out matters of fact in 1933, today.

There would be no need to have a boxing forum if that was the case!
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Old 07-16-2007, 06:17 PM   #39
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So Was Raham just a WBC Champ or was he a WORLD Champ???
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Old 07-16-2007, 06:18 PM   #40
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Fighters often fought outside the state of their world title recognition.
Or it could be that Ross was considered the 140 pound champion in other states as well, as was the case when Ross defended against Klick in California, which is at least one other state that considered Ross the champion of the division.
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So Was Raham just a WBC Champ or was he a WORLD Champ???
Rahman was the Heavyweight Champion of the World when he beat Lennox Lewis... What has that got to do with Ross' Illinois title?
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Or it could be that Ross was considered the 140 pound champion in other states as well, as was the case when Ross defended against Klick in California, which is at least one other state that considered Ross the champion of the division.
Could be, but the only evidence I have seen is that it was an Illinois title.
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Old 07-16-2007, 06:24 PM   #43
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Because Ross beat the man who beat the man. Callahnan was the Champ when he unify the NBA and New York titles which count in thsos days. He was the CHAMP. And his win over Pinky took out any real content on who the champ was in that divison. Who ever beat Callahnan was going to be the next lineal champ. And so forth and so forth. The NBA strip Callahnan because he defended it against a Brit. And YOU WILL Agree that was unfair>??
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Because Ross beat the man who beat the man.
But Rahman did not... so what has that got to do with Ross?
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Old 07-16-2007, 06:31 PM   #45
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Rahman beat Lewis who unify the title in the Holyfiled, Moore, era. After the 2nd Holyfiled fight Lewis was the MAN. Same reason applies to Rahman which made Rahman the lineal champ in terms of Ross. Or Briggs when he beat Foreman.
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