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Old 06-23-2007, 08:26 AM   #1
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Leave the politics at the door please...



Muhammad Ali v Lennox Lewis @ Heavyweight

Ezzard Charles v Georges Carpantier @ Light Heavyweight

Marvin Haggler v Bob Fitzimmons @ Middleweight

Sugar Ray Robinson v Barbados Joe Walcott @ Welterweight

Penell Whitaker v Roberto Duran @ Lightweight

Willie Pep v Owen Moran @ Featherweight


Here's a wee fantasty tournament that pits the USA's best, all time v the best of the rest of the world, all time. Who do you think would win? And who would your choices be at these weight catagories?
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Old 06-23-2007, 08:42 AM   #2
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Ezzard Charles v Georges Carpantier @ Light Heavyweight
I would wan't Sam Langford here.

I also fancy the outside worlds chances in a bantemweight and flyweight tournament.
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Old 06-23-2007, 08:43 AM   #3
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US wins: heavy, light heavy, welter, feather (Ali, Charles, Robby, Pep)
Loses: middle, light, bantam, fly (Monzon, Duran, Jofre, Wilde).

Result: 4-4
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Hmm, Langford at light-heavy could make it 5-3.
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Old 06-23-2007, 08:44 AM   #5
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hmm make it like this tournament is held in Berlin...

Ali-Schmeling DQ victory for Schmeling @ the opening bell.
Sven Ottke versus any american =wide UD 4 ottke
You might aswell pick Maske for that fight
any american versus any german/european... wide UD
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Old 06-23-2007, 09:23 AM   #6
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Leave the politics at the door please...



Muhammad Ali v Lennox Lewis @ Heavyweight

Ezzard Charles v Georges Carpantier @ Light Heavyweight

Marvin Haggler v Bob Fitzimmons @ Middleweight

Sugar Ray Robinson v Barbados Joe Walcott @ Welterweight

Penell Whitaker v Roberto Duran @ Lightweight

Willie Pep v Owen Moran @ Featherweight


Here's a wee fantasty tournament that pits the USA's best, all time v the best of the rest of the world, all time. Who do you think would win? And who would your choices be at these weight catagories?
Are we trying to favour one side over the other with our picks or are we being even handed?
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Old 06-23-2007, 09:24 AM   #7
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Are we trying to favour one side over the other with our picks or are we being even handed?
Even handed. Do you think I squinted it?
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Old 06-23-2007, 09:56 AM   #8
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Even handed. Do you think I squinted it?
No. It is just that if Im were trying to produce a win for say the fighters outsiede the USA I could take the USA list and select oponents who would match up well with them.

To be even handed I would have to asume that I did not know which fighter my picks were likley to be matched against.
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Old 06-23-2007, 10:34 AM   #9
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The US would obviously be slaughtered in just about every divison below lightweight. The America doesn't produce enough small people to have a fighting chance.
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Old 06-23-2007, 02:36 PM   #10
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The US would obviously be slaughtered in just about every divison below lightweight. The America doesn't produce enough small people to have a fighting chance.

It's possible that you've reached the limit now, in terms of your avatar.
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Old 06-23-2007, 02:38 PM   #11
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No. It is just that if Im were trying to produce a win for say the fighters outsiede the USA I could take the USA list and select oponents who would match up well with them.

To be even handed I would have to asume that I did not know which fighter my picks were likley to be matched against.

You'd be neirther manager, promoter, nor captain, just trying to pick the best there are form both sides. But feel free to provide examples of stylistic match-ups that favour one side or the other - just be sure to point out what you're doing.

Oh, and don't look at China_Hand_Joe's avater.
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Old 06-23-2007, 06:26 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by McGrain
Leave the politics at the door please...



Muhammad Ali v Lennox Lewis @ Heavyweight

Ezzard Charles v Georges Carpantier @ Light Heavyweight

Marvin Haggler v Bob Fitzimmons @ Middleweight

Sugar Ray Robinson v Barbados Joe Walcott @ Welterweight

Penell Whitaker v Roberto Duran @ Lightweight

Willie Pep v Owen Moran @ Featherweight


Here's a wee fantasty tournament that pits the USA's best, all time v the best of the rest of the world, all time. Who do you think would win? And who would your choices be at these weight catagories?
Ali decisions Lewis. I don't think Ali would have had the firepower to take Lennox out, but Lewis's lack of 15 round experience costs him dearly in this one. Ali's just too fast, too mobile, and too tough.

Ezz had better rounded skills than Carpentier. Georges could be very tough against opponents his own size, so I think Ezz also settles for a decision.

Fitz is going to have issues with Hagler's speed and southpaw jab. The shorter Hagler also has a reach advantage on Ruby Robert, more of one than Corbett enjoyed. Marv's left-handed stance also offers protection against Bob's shift and solar plexus left. Again, Hagler on points.

If Gans could get the better of Barbados Joe, then I'm confident SRR would have turned the trick as well. Yet another time, Robby on the scoring.

Duran decisions Whitaker on sheer aggression and rights to the body. He might even drop Whitaker with those rights, as he did Fernandez.

Moran draws with Pep. You're not going to make me decide this one!
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Old 06-24-2007, 01:47 PM   #13
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Duran is the only victor not waving the stars & stripes.

I would give Lewis more of a chance against Ali than almost any other HW champ, however.
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Old 06-24-2007, 02:57 PM   #14
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Muhammad Ali v Lennox Lewis @ Heavyweight

Ezzard Charles v Georges Carpantier @ Light Heavyweight

Marvin Haggler v Bob Fitzimmons @ Middleweight

Sugar Ray Robinson v Barbados Joe Walcott @ Welterweight

Penell Whitaker v Roberto Duran @ Lightweight

Willie Pep v Owen Moran @ Featherweight



Ali UD Lewis
Charles KO 10 Carpentier
Fitzsimmons TKO 11 Hagler
SRR UD Barbados Joe Walcott
Duran UD Whitaker
Pep UD Moran



So the US- Boys wins pretty easily...
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Old 06-24-2007, 03:30 PM   #15
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Duran is the only victor not waving the stars & stripes.

I would give Lewis more of a chance against Ali than almost any other HW champ, however.
Well, in the case of my list, I doubt Pep would feel like flag waving after a draw. (But if he did, he might also be carrying an Italian flag!)
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