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Old 07-17-2007, 04:22 PM   #1
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Could the Toy Bulldog have seperated the Quiet Man from the title the night he fought James Toney?

I personaly think yes but I am interested to hear what you think.
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Old 07-17-2007, 04:28 PM   #2
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IF this a hard question?? If a past it, FAT, out of shape James Toney could have box Ruiz's ears off, I relly hate to see what Walker would have done with him. Much less say Harry Greb lol.
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Old 07-17-2007, 04:52 PM   #3
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If a past it, FAT, out of shape James Toney could have box Ruiz's ears off, I relly hate to see what Walker would have done with him. Much less say Harry Greb lol.
This is my view.

I am interested to see how many people share it however.
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Old 07-17-2007, 04:53 PM   #4
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I think Walker would have kicked Ruizs' ass and i don't care what the size differential was.Thanks.
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Old 07-17-2007, 05:39 PM   #5
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Ruiz to win a horror of a match by razor thin decision (WS12), But Walker to win a 15 round fight (WM15)
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Old 07-17-2007, 06:09 PM   #6
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As I look at the query posed here, I just can't get the image of 6'3" 223 pound Arthur De Kuh on his knees at Walker's feet, 1:38 into round one. Ruiz = kaput.
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Old 07-17-2007, 06:31 PM   #7
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Could the Toy Bulldog have seperated the Quiet Man from the title the night he fought James Toney?

I personaly think yes but I am interested to hear what you think.
Walker fought some big guys ,like Bearcat Wright ,he drew with a disinterested Sharkey,got butchered by Schmeling,but only top big men beat him ,I think he beats Ruiz.
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Old 07-17-2007, 07:30 PM   #8
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You know, actually in my oppinion is John Ruiz one of the most underrated hw title holders. He, along with Chris Byrd, has the second best resume during Lewis reign and would have been a contender in the most other eras also. Ruiz can box, watch his last bouts against Valuev, which i had him winning, and Chagaev. He had good head movement, good boxing ability, decent power and ring generalship. He wasn´t exciting to watch but he wasn´t as bad as some people make him. Yeah, he lost to a roided-up Toney and Jones but having a close series with Holyfield, beating some good ranked contenders and beeing so long in the hw top10 has to count for something.
Ruiz? Boxing ability? C'mon, Ruiz has all the talent of a high-grade clubfighter, which is why he HAD to hold excessively and fake low blows. Don't just look at the names on his ledger, examine HOW he "beat" them, mostly by holding excessively and, in the case of his title "winning" fight with Holyfield and the bogus DQ "win" against Kirk Johnson, by blatantly overacting to force low blow calls. He'd done this at least once before against Jimmy Thunder, too.

Ruiz was a fraud, a cheater and a fake. ANY decent fighter coming up from the lower weights beats him. An ATG like Walker would make him look like the palooka he is.
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Old 07-17-2007, 07:48 PM   #9
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I really donīt know what poor John did to you but i like Ruiz because his presence alone upsets you
Ruiz cheated his opponents, and the sport - that's what upsets me. He is exhibit A of everything wrong with this sport, a fighter who would NEVER have won more than a regional belt without his connections to King.
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Old 07-17-2007, 08:10 PM   #10
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Ruiz pushed it within the rules allright.

But I pick him here by late stoppage. Why not? He's an expert at smothering and exhausting his man. Toney at least had the weight to turn him in a clinch.
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Old 07-17-2007, 08:17 PM   #11
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Ruiz? Boxing ability? C'mon, Ruiz has all the talent of a high-grade clubfighter, which is why he HAD to hold excessively and fake low blows. Don't just look at the names on his ledger, examine HOW he "beat" them, mostly by holding excessively and, in the case of his title "winning" fight with Holyfield and the bogus DQ "win" against Kirk Johnson, by blatantly overacting to force low blow calls. He'd done this at least once before against Jimmy Thunder, too.

Ruiz was a fraud, a cheater and a fake. ANY decent fighter coming up from the lower weights beats him. An ATG like Walker would make him look like the palooka he is.
There were no fake low blows Vs Valuev or excessive holding.

He wouldn't need to cheat to beat Audley Harrison though.
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Old 07-18-2007, 01:37 AM   #12
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Ruiz knocks him out. The size difference is too much for Walker.
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Old 07-18-2007, 03:31 AM   #13
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Ruiz knocks him out. The size difference is too much for Walker.
Walker beat a lot of men the size of Ruiz. Usualy in the first round.

Size alone is not going to win it for Ruiz.
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Old 07-18-2007, 03:45 AM   #14
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John Ruiz is not a Arthur De Kuh or Bearcat Wright. Size (which includes weight) will be the deciding factor in this bout, it will nullify whatever advantage Walker has in skills department. And the styles matchup doesn't help him either.
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Old 07-18-2007, 03:51 AM   #15
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John Ruiz is not a Arthur De Kuh or Bearcat Wright.
He might not be a whole lot better either.

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Size (which includes weight) will be the deciding factor in this bout, it will nullify whatever advantage Walker has in skills department.
We have already established that Walker could handel a fighter of this weight.

What skills dose Ruiz have that will enable him to capitalize on his weight where others failed?

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And the styles matchup doesn't help him either.
My guess is that Ruiz is made for a guy like Walker stylisticaly. Low activity rate, easy to counter and outbox.
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