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Old 07-19-2007, 02:08 PM   #46
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Pep fought nothing like Whitaker, that's why.
Whitaker was a better all round fighter than Pep. And I'm not going to get suckered into Pep having over 200 fights, fighting more often, also being an old timer, and viewed as a great defensive fighter, thus he must be better than Whitaker in terms of skill.

Whitaker was a mover in his prime, but sometimes he could stand at close quarters and exchange punches yet still show good defense. Watch his fights with Nelson and Ramirez 1, and you'll see he could box and constantly move round after round.

I'm pretty confrident you'll say Pep could do more in the ring than Whitaker, and was more skilled.
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Old 07-19-2007, 03:13 PM   #47
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I'm pretty confrident you'll say Pep could do more in the ring than Whitaker, and was more skilled.
How did you guess?
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Old 07-19-2007, 04:28 PM   #48
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I don't think Duran smashes Pryor at all. In fact, I think Pryor might actually beat Duran at 140. His style could give Duran problems as Duran would actually be out-pressure for the first time in his career. That would be an awesome fight.
Many agree with you that Pryor would do well against Duran. I doubt it very much. Getting reckless, as Pryor was apt to do, against a more highly skilled and efficient offense, defensive specialist, and counter puncher in Duran is suicidal. As a matter of fact, Arguello's careful conservativism would give him a better chance and I don't give him much of a chance either against Duran at LW or SLW.

It's interesting, Duran had too much aggression for Arguello, but had too much defensive and countering skill for Pryor. At least in my estimation.
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Old 07-19-2007, 04:42 PM   #49
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Mother****er, beat me to it.

It's gotta be somebody with KO power I would think, as a smaller slickster type would probably be pressured into defeat.

Maybe Naz on a big longshot?
Nah! He was titchy for a feather, far to small at lightweight.

Azumah Nelson?
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Old 07-19-2007, 05:08 PM   #50
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There isnt one. Not ever.
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Old 07-19-2007, 05:15 PM   #51
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Many agree with you that Pryor would do well against Duran. I doubt it very much. Getting reckless, as Pryor was apt to do, against a more highly skilled and efficient offense, defensive specialist, and counter puncher in Duran is suicidal. As a matter of fact, Arguello's careful conservativism would give him a better chance and I don't give him much of a chance either against Duran at LW or SLW.

It's interesting, Duran had too much aggression for Arguello, but had too much defensive and countering skill for Pryor. At least in my estimation.
Right. Even if Pryor was impervious, so would Duran have been at that weight. Assuming this goes 15 rounds, it comes down to hitting and not being hit. The bodypunching, low profiled Duran would have a huge edge on the high flying, chin exposed, headhunting Hawk. He'd also have a better chance of producing an off-balance and points building KD or two on Pryor.
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Old 07-19-2007, 05:18 PM   #52
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How did you guess?
Your head is wasted with the old timers.
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Your head is wasted with the old timers.
I consider myself a realist.
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Old 07-21-2007, 12:12 PM   #55
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Was gonna say armstrong but he fought in several weight classes (Id also pick duran to beat armstrong on pts anyway)

Willie pep was probably the best ever fwt but durans power takes him out late on after a frustrating beginning.

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Old 07-21-2007, 12:18 PM   #56
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IMO Armstrong is easily the best bet here, easily. I cannot see Arguello beating Duran due to stylistic drama's, including the fact that Duran has a cast iron jaw, especially at 135. Armstrong is very close to peak at 135 IMO and is very much a live one in this bout. If any 135 (and up from Feather etc etc tho i am speaking of any 135 regardless) can live with Duran inside it is Hank. A teeny bit less refined but busier with indominatable stamina. Some might not agree but i would only have Duran a 6-5 fave here, 7-5 at best. This is close.
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Old 07-21-2007, 10:59 PM   #57
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Duran was just too good and people could research the entire history of the feathers but none could have beaten the greatest lightweight I ever saw. And I'm an Arguello fan. Alexis might even drop him but he wouldn't stop him.
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Eusebio Pedroza.
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Old 05-03-2013, 08:22 PM   #59
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Pea!

Armstrong would've won the featherweight title, then moved up and beat Duran for his belt too.

Probably not, but imagine that.
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at the time of 2007..manny and marquez haven't pushed up to 130+

i was wondering how a marquez match could unfold. you got a banger and a technician with brilliant defence and techniques...slightly chinny. but no body would disrespect im and march straight into him.
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