Sugar Ray Robinson v Roy Jones @ 168

[McGrain]

At 160 i pick Sugar.

What about 168? These guys were both special.

Sugar isn't one half the puncher he was at Welter up here I bet.

Who takes it?

Why?

[China_hand_Joe]

I don't fancy anybody to beat something like Jones away from their perfect weight, I take Jones in fairly orthodox performance at 160

[Amsterdam]

I take Roy at 160 and 168 by KO.

[mightyd40]

yeah i dont think ray had enough at 160 to beat roy and would go with rjj by decision and at 168 jones probably would have knocked him out

[JohnThomas1]

Robinson by KO.

[Senya13]

Jones was better than SRR in all departments at either 160 or 168.

[JohnThomas1]

Originally Posted by Senya13

Jones was better than SRR in all departments at either 160 or 168.

How bout chin and heart?

[McGrain]

Originally Posted by JohnThomas1

How bout chin and heart?

Add technique, hooks, footspeed, stamina, workrate, adaptability, ring generalship...

[Senya13]

How many times was Robinson dropped at 160 and 168? What are reasons to doubt Jones' heart at these weights? All the rest (technique, hooks, footspeed, stamina, workrate, adaptability, ring generalship) Jones was better than 160/168 Robinson too, rather easily.

[fists of fury]

I had a good chuckle when I read the thread title. I knew Senya would be here fasterthanyoucouldreadthis. Anyhow...

Difficult fight for Robinson - very difficult. Jones had unbelievable speed, reactions and very good power at 160. Ray tended to be a little erratic at 160, but on his best night at the weight he was absolute hell.

Bold prediction...Robinson is surprised to find himself outsped by Roy and catching more leather than he'd like. He's behind after 8 rounds.
Ever unpredictable, Ray relies on his chin and decides to turn slugger, actively seeking a slugfest with Roy.
He catches even more punches, but he starts landing more frequently too and he forces Jones against the ropes, where he lays on thick leather as Jones tries to smother and counter him. Ray's aggression and precise punching pays as he manages to tag Jones with some good, solid shots to the head.
The pressure begins to tell and Ray starts really reaching Roy, and in the tenth he drops Jones twice forcing a stoppage.

[JohnThomas1]

Originally Posted by Senya13

How many times was Robinson dropped at 160 and 168?

How many times did Robinson fight there? At what stage of his career did he fight there? What was his best quality of opposition there like? Do you think Roy could fight ALL the guys SRR did at 160 up and not only beat every single one every single time, but never hit the floor? With the limited time between bouts Robinson had as well?

Have a look at the broader picture.

[dmt]

I think this is a tough fight, i really don't know but my guess is Jones wins at 168 due to better power and speed. but i'm still not sure.

But if u take the best version of Robbi at 160 then i think he beats Jones at 160.

[Rumsfeld]

I'll take Robinson at either weight class.

[Senya13]

Artie Levine dropped Robinson hard (possible for longer than 10 seconds) at middleweight limit when Ray was 25 years old, in his prime.
Rocky Graziano was a small middleweight at the end of his career. Robinson was 30 years old.
Rocky Castellani was never a puncher, this didn't stop him from dropping 34-years old Robinson for a 9-count.
That's not counting welterweight knockdowns and many fights where he was hurt.

[JohnThomas1]

Originally Posted by Senya13

Artie Levine dropped Robinson hard (possible for longer than 10 seconds) at middleweight limit when Ray was 25 years old, in his prime.

And there we have our first big plus for Robinson, the ability to take a punch and come back to win after duress. Something Roy never proved he could definitely do. You see, when we match him against a guy like Robinson he's not going to be pitching no shutout, and he sure as hell isn't going to avoid being hit. Robinson's speed and sharpness is going to put Roy to the acid test. This isn't no green Hopkins or stylistic joy like Toney. Me, i'll take Robinson's proven ability under fire, i think he has all the tools to put roy to the sword. Personally i think Hagler and Monzon would find Jones harder than Robinson. Robinson's speed at his 160 best is what is going to find Roy out. Many seem to forget just how fast he was, even at 160, as Johnny Garfield will tell you.