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Old 05-22-2008, 06:40 PM   #16
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There was no excuse for Ali letting Leon win that fight in'78. He just hung around too damned long...he didn't have the sense to retire after the Thrilla. Of course I was being a bit facetious in my first post, but that was just a sardonic way of saying that Leon didn't belong in the ring with ANY great of the past or present. He just got REAL lucky against Ali. Max Baer would have done a Coetzee type of number on him.
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Old 05-22-2008, 11:25 PM   #17
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You know what Leon has very good textbook boxing skills and solid movement. I think everyone should leave leon alone.
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Old 05-23-2008, 09:12 AM   #18
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You know what Leon has very good textbook boxing skills and solid movement. I think everyone should leave leon alone.
The thing is I actually agree. I think Spinks was pretty good and had good head movement, but he had absolutely no dedication and lacked a lot of physical attributes. Just as Shannon Briggs has a lot of power and is monstrously strong. What annoys me is that there have been posters over the years (Revolver being a prime example) who have tried to portray Spinks as some sort of budding ATG, the equal and indeed superior of any boxer prior to the momentous 1960 skill paradigm shift when boxers discovered skills like movement, strength, power and height.
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Old 05-23-2008, 09:14 AM   #19
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word at the time was ali never trained for spinks.for the second fight he did and won by decision
I think Spinks threw the second fight away. Ali had deteriorated further by then (he looked terrible when he did exhibitions in the USSR in 1978 ) but all his training meant he wasn't much worse, while Spinks's total lack of training outside of keeping his weight down with whiskey meant that Ali had the edge.
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Old 04-03-2012, 12:12 PM   #20
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The Holmes who lost to Leon Spinks
The Holyfield that fought John Ruiz
The Louis who lost to Marciano.
Post-Manila Frazier
The Dempsey who lost to Tunney in the second fight.
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Old 04-03-2012, 12:19 PM   #21
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Holmes from 1985 onwards
Tyson post 2000
Michael Spinks 1988
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Old 04-03-2012, 01:51 PM   #22
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Default Re: Versions of great heavyweights who lose to '78 Leon Spinks

Tinkerbell Tyson of 2001-2005 gets whupped by Neon Leon Spinks.
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Old 04-03-2012, 01:53 PM   #23
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Holmes from 1985 onwards
Tyson post 2000
Michael Spinks 1988
IMO teh 1992 version of Lazza Holmes who schooled Mercer And troubled OG Holyfield might just scrape by.

That old man sure had some cagey nous.
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Old 04-03-2012, 01:58 PM   #24
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The Corbett that Fitzsimmons beat.
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Tinkerbell Tyson of 2001-2005 gets whupped by Neon Leon Spinks.
I'm not sure about that. Tyson was still throwing bombs at that point and Danny Williams had to soak up a lot of punishment in order to win. Could Leon Spinks do that? Maybe, but it wouldn't be easy.

Certainly in the McBride fight, Tyson was shot. His power- his last asset- had left him.
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Old 04-03-2012, 04:56 PM   #26
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Peak versions of Fitzsimmons, Corbett and Jeffries
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Old 04-03-2012, 04:58 PM   #27
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I'm not sure about that. Tyson was still throwing bombs at that point and Danny Williams had to soak up a lot of punishment in order to win. Could Leon Spinks do that? Maybe, but it wouldn't be easy.

Certainly in the McBride fight, Tyson was shot. His power- his last asset- had left him.
Soooooooooooooooo glass-knee Midget Lisp wasnt "shot" VS Danny Williams???


Thanks for that unexpert info.
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Old 04-03-2012, 04:59 PM   #28
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I think the 38/39 year old Holyfield who fought Ruiz might lose to Leon.

Ezzard Charles post-Marciano.

How about the Joe Louis of the Ezzard Charles fight ? Or would he make mincemeat of Neon Leon ?

The Holmes who lost to Michael Spinks ?
Not many but Ali was on his last days, its amazing that he was fighting in a title fight 18 years after his debut.
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