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Old 05-22-2008, 08:15 PM   #46
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So Hearns, Leonard, Duran, etc were not on par with guys like Tszyu?
There is no point in employing logic here.
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So Hearns, Leonard, Duran, etc were not on par with guys like Tszyu?
All fought in the 90s.
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All fought in the 90s.

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Old 05-22-2008, 08:24 PM   #49
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All fought in the 90s.
And they were better in the 90's than in their earlier careers?
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And they were better in the 90's than in their earlier careers?
Read my original post.

All angles are covered, just.
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Old 05-22-2008, 08:29 PM   #51
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Read my original post.

All angles are covered, just.
Ali
Robinson
Pep
Monzon
Hagler
Arguello
Ortiz
Griffith
Gavilan
Napoles
Jofre

All of these fighters you consider primitive?
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All of these fighters you consider primitive?
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Old 05-22-2008, 08:35 PM   #53
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Ali
Robinson
Pep
Monzon
Hagler
Arguello
Ortiz
Griffith
Gavilan
Napoles
Jofre

All of these fighters you consider primitive?
Noty all of them are primative.

Certainly not in the top 10 ever though, which is the topic of this thread.
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Noty all of them are primative.

Certainly not in the top 10 ever though, which is the topic of this thread.

How about Holmes?
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Old 05-22-2008, 08:40 PM   #55
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Noty all of them are primative.

Certainly not in the top 10 ever though, which is the topic of this thread.
So what would your top 10 be?
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I'm a BIG Ali fan, but why him at nr. 1? Why do you rank him above SRR, who I think is pretty uncontested at nr. 1?
2 careers, best Heavyweight fighter of both careers. 1st career had a greater gap between himself and the competition than Robinson IMO. Recreated himself for his second career.

Beat 2 "unbbeatables", Liston and Foreman. The Foreman upset was one of the greatest chapters in boxing history; 1) Considering what he had done to Frazier & Norton, 2) Considering the adversity Ali went through to even get to Foreman.

H2H I favor no fighter, from any era or weight class, to beat Ali. I think SRR would have a tough time with the likes of Hearns and Leonard, Haglar, Monzon, RJJ, Graeb etc.
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Old 05-23-2008, 09:40 AM   #57
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I consider the other lists in this thread enraging. look at the pre 1960s bias. Just look at it. Such bias is inexcusable.

The should be no fighters who fought excluisively before the 1990s being named here.
So basically, 12 round pansies with less than 60 to 50 fights under their belts are automatically superior to veterans of 15 rounders (or longer bouts) who have had a hundred, two hundred, three hundred or more battles worth of experience, while wearing gloves smaller than 12 ounce pillows, and sometimes not even a mouthguard.

I know a provocateur when I see one, ChJ. Back to the General Forum litterbox with ye, wee laddie!
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Old 05-24-2008, 04:28 PM   #58
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Robinson was an exceptional physicsl specimin and very skilled offensively by any eras standards. He is incredibly flawed though compared to the likes of Tszyu.
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Old 05-24-2008, 04:53 PM   #59
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Ali
Robinson
Pep
Monzon
Hagler
Arguello
Ortiz
Griffith
Gavilan
Napoles
Jofre
great choices! especially ortiz and griffith two highly overlooked ATG fighters.
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Old 05-24-2008, 05:12 PM   #60
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2 careers, best Heavyweight fighter of both careers. 1st career had a greater gap between himself and the competition than Robinson IMO. Recreated himself for his second career.

Beat 2 "unbbeatables", Liston and Foreman. The Foreman upset was one of the greatest chapters in boxing history; 1) Considering what he had done to Frazier & Norton, 2) Considering the adversity Ali went through to even get to Foreman.

H2H I favor no fighter, from any era or weight class, to beat Ali. I think SRR would have a tough time with the likes of Hearns and Leonard, Haglar, Monzon, RJJ, Graeb etc.
You make a good case. Of course, you're preaching to the choir here. For me, SRR:s record is near unbeatable, though. In a h2h/p4p sense I have a very hard time ro rank anyone ahead of Ali, but that's so higly speculative that I prefer going by record. No one beat more 'unbeatbles' though. Good point.
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