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Old 07-16-2007, 08:31 AM   #1
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Default Shall We Try And Actually Sort Some Top P4P Fighters?

By general concensus?

I thought it would be fun if we could see if it was possible to get EVERYONE who posts in the thread to agree upon some fighters that would be on an ATG top 10 p4p list.

If you have an objection to any given fighter just say who and why and maybe there'll be some chat about it and maybe not.

With a bit of luck we might actually end up with 5 fighters we can agree upon as being in a top 10.

So does anyone feel that the following fighters DO NOT belong in a top ten all time p4p list?

SUGAR RAY ROBINSON
HENRY ARMSTRONG
ROBERTO DURAN

Which fighters do you think are a lock for this list? Maybe try to keep your nominations so one or two.
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Old 07-16-2007, 08:38 AM   #2
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Definitely Top 10 :

Robinson
Armstrong
Greb
Ali
Duran
Langford
Leonard (Benny of course)
Pep
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Old 07-16-2007, 08:42 AM   #3
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Definitely Top 10 :

Robinson
Armstrong
Greb
Ali
Duran
Langford
Leonard (Benny of course)
Pep
I would dispute Ali as a top 10 lock. Sorry bro.

The thing is that you've offered up 8 names here - that leaves only two spaces. Though I'm happy for people to offer up their top ten lists if they like, i'm interested here in getting four or five fighters that EVERYONE agress upon.
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Old 07-16-2007, 08:45 AM   #4
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A case can be made for Hearns, Leonard and Ricardo Lopez. Maybe Whitaker, Arguello and JCC as well.
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Old 07-16-2007, 08:46 AM   #5
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On second thought - scratch Lopez. I doubt there would be unanimity on this one.
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A case can be made for Hearns, Leonard and Ricardo Lopez. Maybe Whitaker, Arguello and JCC as well.
Of course. A case can also be made for Bernard Hopkins, Charley Burley, Joe Louis etc., we are interested in guys who would be a lock here.

Who would your picks be for an absolute lock? Plus, would you agree that Duran, Sugar Ray Robinson and Armstrong are definites?
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I think there are some fighters everybody would agree. Armstrong, Greb, Robinson, Duran, Langford, Pep.
We have six names here; all great shouts. I'd be most interested to hear from anyone who thinks that these 6 aren't top ten locks.
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Who would your picks be for an absolute lock? Plus, would you agree that Duran, Sugar Ray Robinson and Armstrong are definites?
I'd agree with those three, even though on film Armstrong was a slight disappointment. His achievements speak for themselves though.

Of those I mentioned, I think one of them should be a lock. I just cannot figure out which one.
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Of those I mentioned, I think one of them should be a lock. I just cannot figure out which one.



You're not filling me with confidence here bro...
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The only guys that are locks for me are:
Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong
Roberto Duran
Harry Greb
Sam Langford

I would personally add Charles and probably Pep although I have seen a lot of list where they were missing.

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Old 07-16-2007, 09:02 AM   #11
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I would personally add Charles and probably Pep although I have seen a lot of list where they were missing.
Yeah. I think i could probably name eleven guys that should be a lock for the top 10!

Could choices.
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I disagree with Ali and Leonard as a lock for it. Greb, Langford and Pep are good choices. Fitzsimmons should also be there. There could also a case be made for Wilde.

I think there are some fighters everybody would agree. Armstrong, Greb, Robinson, Duran, Langford, Pep.
Why not Leonard ?
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We have six names here; all great shouts. I'd be most interested to hear from anyone who thinks that these 6 aren't top ten locks.
I do agree with those.
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Old 07-16-2007, 09:32 AM   #14
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I do agree with those.

He might scrape in for me. But he is one of those borderline guys. Very close but possibly no cigar for me.

I think most would have him top 20.

This is why it will be so hard to get a consensus on many names. I'm delighted that there's been nobody shouting down the three names I mentioned in the first post, never mind the 6 tobkhan suggested.
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This is my list:

1. Henry Armstrong
2. Harry Greb
3. Ray Robinson
4. Willie Pep
5. Benny Leonard
6. Ezzard Charles
7. Roberto Duran
8. Archie Moore
9. Joe Gans
10. Barney Ross

Of those, I consider Armstrong, Robinson, Leonard, Greb, Charles, Pep and Duran to be unquestionable choices. Anyone disagree?
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