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Old 06-20-2007, 08:36 AM   #46
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That doesn't make you immune to the media they put out everyday.

"So much higher"? Whoever is better, one thing we know for sure is it is close. You have demonstrated you are incapable of being objective for one second. I will now cease communications with you based on that and your avatar.
Are you all there in the head? Your not making sense. Im defending RJJ as being the best boxer in the past decade and i have an avatar of Mundine and you think thats bias to RJJ so your not talking to me? WTF? you have an avatar of joe and you keep talking him up. If anyone should be given the silence treatment, i should not be talking to you.
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Old 06-20-2007, 08:46 AM   #47
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Wow, bit harsh that.
Well, considering Blockys way of debating im an angel.

Just tired of all the non-boxing related hate and manipulation coming from the guy.
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Old 06-20-2007, 08:53 AM   #48
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yep - with a few extra demands it appears. Palle responded with a higher offer.

Palle's first offer wasn't a ready to sign contract - he 5,5M offer is - so this time ****** has to accept for real

But it's kinda funny how the standard are different when it comes to offers.

When ****** went back on his 5M offer - people where saying that Palle/Kessler was ducking Calzaghe for not taking the 3M offer, even though ****** had offered 5M to get Palle to the table. Then when ****** "accepted" Palle's offer Palle/Kessler was again ducking Calzaghe for not answering right away - Now Palle has made a contract-offer for 5,5M $ - a career high payday for Calzaghe - and ****** is yet to answer (got the offer last sunday) - but it's still Palle/Kessler that is ducking Calzaghe...
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Old 06-20-2007, 09:33 AM   #49
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How and count how many jabs Reid landed against Calzaghe.

He leaves himself open to the right hand.

That is a known fact, yet the Kessler fans keep claiming Kessler will dominate with the jab.

This leads me to believe you all pick Kessler then look for a way for him to win after...don't find it and make one up instead.

"Calzaghe leaves himself open to a good jab"
this from the guy who said that Calzaghe is p4p better than SRR.
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Old 06-20-2007, 09:34 AM   #50
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btw - anybody know where to find Calzaghe-Veit II???
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Old 06-20-2007, 09:54 AM   #51
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this from the guy who said that Calzaghe is p4p better than SRR.
I have never stated that as a fact. I have however pointed out SRR would lose to Calzageh at 168, something there should be little doubt about.
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Old 06-20-2007, 09:56 AM   #52
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I might as well come clean. I bet $50 on Calzaghe about a month ago. At the time he was underdog at the bookies and I am a valuebetter.

$50 is not much in relation to my pot so if odds change I might very well hedge.

Even fight imo.
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Old 06-20-2007, 09:59 AM   #53
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I might as well come clean. I bet $50 on Calzaghe about a month ago. At the time he was underdog at the bookies and I am a valuebetter.

$50 is not much in relation to my pot so if odds change I might very well hedge.

Even fight imo.
yep - I've done the same thing with the Danish national soccerteam - come fightday you can't loose - either your man wins or you win a lot of money
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Old 06-20-2007, 10:05 AM   #54
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(a) I still don't see how comparing resumes helps either guy's case here; (b) Kessler's resume in the past 4 years is as good as Calzaghe's, if not better. I still lean Calzaghe, but it has nothing to do with their resumes. To me, Andrade, Beyer, Lucas, Mundine, Siaca, Green, Cummings and a couple of cans is more impressive than Lacy, Mitchell, Bika, Ashira, Veit and a couple of cans.

I can understand a style argument for why one would beat the other, but it seems fruitless to compare resumes, especially when (a) Kessler has never fought a fighter like Calzaghe, (b) Calzaghe hasn't fought a fighter as well-rounded as Kessler since he started having hand problems and (c) they've never faced any common opponents.
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Old 06-20-2007, 10:10 AM   #55
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(a) I still don't see how comparing resumes helps either guy's case here; (b) Kessler's resume in the past 4 years is as good as Calzaghe's, if not better. I still lean Calzaghe, but it has nothing to do with their resumes. To me, Andrade, Beyer, Lucas, Mundine, Siaca, Green, Cummings and a couple of cans is more impressive than Lacy, Mitchell, Bika, Ashira, Veit and a couple of cans.

I can understand a style argument for why one would beat the other, but it seems fruitless to compare resumes, especially when (a) Kessler has never fought a fighter like Calzaghe, (b) Calzaghe hasn't fought a fighter as well-rounded as Kessler since he started having hand problems and (c) they've never faced any common opponents.
Calzaghe has never fought anyone like Kessler. Kessler has never fought anyone like Calzaghe.
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Old 06-20-2007, 10:14 AM   #56
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yep - I've done the same thing with the Danish national soccerteam - come fightday you can't loose - either your man wins or you win a lot of money
Typical optimist's view.

You can't win mate, your teams loses or you lose money.

I understand why your brain does it though, a defensive mechanism. Manfredo fans developed into optimists before he fought Joe too.
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Old 06-20-2007, 10:33 AM   #57
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Typical optimist's view.

You can't win mate, your teams loses or you lose money.

I understand why your brain does it though, a defensive mechanism. Manfredo fans developed into optimists before he fought Joe too.
has nothing to do with "defensive mechanisms" ... I'm just positiv from nature

As for this fight - I exspect everybody to win - this is a fight on level that we seldom see - this is the RJJ-Tiger - the Calzaghe-Ottke and so on - the fights that everybody wants, but we very seldom get because of politics and money. If this fights comes through - then we are all winners...

Although after the fight Kessler-fans will be some what more winners
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Old 06-20-2007, 10:38 AM   #58
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Calzaghe-Ottke
Don't compare Kessler to Ottke! Ottke would have been totally outclassed, Kessler won't. The fight would have been a pointless exercise.

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Old 06-20-2007, 10:49 AM   #59
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Reid was nothing like a standup boxer.
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Old 06-20-2007, 10:52 AM   #60
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(a) I still don't see how comparing resumes helps either guy's case here; (b) Kessler's resume in the past 4 years is as good as Calzaghe's, if not better. I still lean Calzaghe, but it has nothing to do with their resumes. To me, Andrade, Beyer, Lucas, Mundine, Siaca, Green, Cummings and a couple of cans is more impressive than Lacy, Mitchell, Bika, Ashira, Veit and a couple of cans.

I can understand a style argument for why one would beat the other, but it seems fruitless to compare resumes, especially when (a) Kessler has never fought a fighter like Calzaghe, (b) Calzaghe hasn't fought a fighter as well-rounded as Kessler since he started having hand problems and (c) they've never faced any common opponents.
spot on
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