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Old 06-20-2007, 09:03 PM   #91
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Will calzaghe become a great if he beats kessler? Max kellerman thinks not.

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just more evidence to support my theory that Kellerman is a giant douchebag!
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Old 06-20-2007, 09:05 PM   #92
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Will calzaghe become a great if he beats kessler? Max kellerman thinks not.

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Max is just being American catering to an American audience. I don't know if he really thinks so, but either way he has always be more known for being controversial than actually being right.

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Max is just a puppet of the American media and their anti-Calzaghe conspiracy.
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Old 06-20-2007, 09:08 PM   #94
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Kessler is a beast.
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Kessler is a beast.

calzaghe will school him
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Old 08-26-2011, 09:02 AM   #96
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we should compare judges' scoring to the prediction.
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Old 08-26-2011, 09:07 AM   #97
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After just watching Kessler's fights against Mundine, Beyer and Andrade I fail to see how anyone would think that Kessler is the favouite to beat Calzaghe is their proposed sep/nov bout takes place.

What I saw of Kessler was impressive. He has a very good jab, its snappy and powerful, and he's at home following them up with stiff straight-rights which he seems to get good leverage on. He totally nullified Beyer with the jab and showed good power in order to get the ko, the same can nearly be said of Andrade if it wasnt for his freakish chin.

Kessler was also very impressive against Mundine, who's a very intelligent boxer. I had Mundine up 3-1 after the 4th round. Mundine used his superior speed to his advantage and landed solidly on a few occasions, but its more to be said about Mundine's lack of power than the solidness of Kesslers chin. Kessler then used the jab and big phsyical presence to keep Mundine on the back foot untill he eventually wore him down. All in all a very good showing by the dane against whats easily his best opponent.

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Kessler has not been in the ring with anyone anywhere near Calzaghe's calibre or experience.

The arguement that lots of Kessler supporters use to discredit Calzaghe is the names of his opponents on his resume. This arguement could be used against Kessler even more so.

Kessler's best opposition:

Mundine - Good opponent, credit where credits due.

Besides that he's fought the human punchbag Andrade. A totally shot Beyer, who was never world class to begin with. Former WBC champ Eric Lucas. The only other possible exception being Craig Cummings who's fought some decent fighters but then again got absolutely destroyed by a world class Steve Collins.

If you compare them with Calzaghe's' resume:

Eubank (Not at his best, but still only 33, 2 years younger than Calz is now)
Robin Reid - Former WBC SMW champ
Ritchie Woodhall - Former WBC SMW champ
Charles Brewer - Former IBF SMW champ
Byron Mitchell - Former WBA SMW champ
Omar Sheika
Mario Veit x2 - Very similar to Kessler, more on him later.
Evans Ashira (With only 1 hand for nearly the whole fight and still won on a wide margin)
Saiko Bika - Difficult awkward opponent

And a shutout over Jeff Lacy who was rated in very similar fashion to the way Kessler is now and praised by Marvin Hagler to be "Top 6 pvp in the world", obviously before the Calzaghe fight.

There's no arguing that Calzaghe's resume isnt great, but it kicks the crap out of Kessler's.

Also has anyone noticed how similar Mario Veit and Mikkel Kessler are in regards to their fighting styles and skills ? Ok everything that Veit does Kessler does far far better, but in regards to the way they come forward and use their size and jab.

Calzaghe TKO 1 Veit
Calzaghe TKO 6 Veit - In Germany

Not drawing any comparisons


Head to Head

Kessler definatly has the edge in power, and he has the advantage of youth and strong hands, and has a great jab.


Calzaghe is in a different league with speed, he also has a good job, and posesses superior boxing skills. Calzaghe's movement and footwork are also better than Kessler's. His "swarm" style of attack is perfectly suited to Kessler's style and I just cant see what Kessler's going to do against it. Sure he's got a great jab, but Calzaghe's going to be too fast for him to be effective. Joe will go in on the inside and throw punches in quick combinations which will force Kessler to defend as his most effecitve weapon which is his jab will be neutralised. I think if Kessler's going to win it's going to have to be a knockout or Calzaghe's going to have to break both his hands (We've seen he's as effective with just the one hand), but as we know from experience Calzaghe has a great chin, where as Kessler's is relatively untested.

Calzaghe UD 12 Kessler

117 - 111
116 - 112
116 - 112

This isnt to say Kessler isnt a good fighter because I definatly think he's the number 2 SMW in the division and would beat Taylor/Pavlik/Miranda and the severely overhyped Dawson. I just think this is a fight of styles and is probably one step to many for Mikkel.

Definatly good things to come from Kessler in the future.

As for Calzaghe...winner of Bhop/Wright in Feb ?

Lets hope so.
Which was to say Calzaghe was way out of Kessler's league. But he wasn't.
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Old 08-26-2011, 09:18 AM   #98
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People: The actual scoring was
117-111
116-112
116-112
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THis guy's prediction was
117-111
116-112
116-112

Spot on! Identical.

Kudos to the OP.
Is he still here?!

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yesihavearm, the OP stopped posting in 2008. Sad, what a prediction.
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Old 08-26-2011, 09:20 AM   #99
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Wow! **** me well done to the OP!!!!!! Spot on scoring!!!!

(Probably banned though, ESB Mods love to ban folk. I think they have ties with the English government)
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Old 08-26-2011, 09:40 AM   #100
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That's sad if true, his OP was rational and wise, and his prediction was perfect for all 3 judges. How often does that happen?
Anybody know?
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Old 08-26-2011, 11:35 AM   #101
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If Kessler won 2 more rounds the fight would have been a draw - and that in Wales...
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Old 08-26-2011, 11:53 AM   #102
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The scoring after 11 was the same as in the Ward fight on my card but without the cheating. Kessler has won round 12 in every big fight he's had. Great post though.

Just shows how long the anti Calzaghe brigade have been around.

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Old 08-26-2011, 11:57 AM   #103
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If Kessler won 2 more rounds the fight would have been a draw - and that in Wales...
The scores were fair though. I had 117-111 against a much more active Kessler before any lay-offs and without a huge cut unlike the one Ward fought. Kessler was ducked by Bute at the time and was not KO'd by Andrade like Bute was.

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Old 08-26-2011, 12:03 PM   #104
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San Rafael - No. This was a great post and he actually had score cards which were the same as the judges and tottally fair. Great prediction looking back.

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Old 08-26-2011, 12:22 PM   #105
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People: The actual scoring was
117-111
116-112
116-112
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THis guy's prediction was
117-111
116-112
116-112

Spot on! Identical.

Kudos to the OP.
Is he still here?!

Edit:
yesihavearm, the OP stopped posting in 2008. Sad, what a prediction.
IIRC, Yesihavearm was Amsterdam's alt. He got booted years ago. Spot on prediction on this one, but he had his fair share of misses too (Mijares jumps to mind immediately).
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