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Old 07-19-2007, 02:19 PM   #1
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Default Was Harry Wills a greater HEAVYWEIGHT than Sam Langford ?

Wills or Langford ?

Who rates higher at heavyweight ?
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Old 07-19-2007, 02:27 PM   #2
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Wills, of course.
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Old 07-19-2007, 02:42 PM   #3
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Wills should rate far above Langford at HW. His resume is amazing, on resume alone he rates above Dempsey. Arguably Wills was the best HW in the world from 1912-1926

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Wills as my #15 Heavy; Langford #16.
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Old 07-19-2007, 04:55 PM   #5
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I think Langford.

The series between them dose not tell the whole story because Langford was on the decline when it started.

Wills to a certain extent swept up the remenats of the black dynamite trio, Langford, Jeanette, McVea.

Contemporary fighters were in awe of Langford while they saw Wills as ugly but efective.
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Old 07-19-2007, 05:37 PM   #6
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Langford was past his prime when he engaged in his series with Wills.
Langford also scored 2 clean KO'S over the much larger Wills.
As far as I know there arent any ring historians who saw them both fight that rate Wills as the better fighter,that vote is reserved for Langford.
From what Ive read I believe Wills to be a bit overated.
Even the esteemed Ray Arcel didnt think Wills was considered a great fighter.
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Old 07-20-2007, 05:40 AM   #7
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Well, firstly Wills beat Langford more often than not. Beside each other their best common opponents were Joe Jeanette and Sam McVea. Wills record against McVea is 2-2-0 and 1 NC, against Jeanette 1-0-0. Langfords record against McVea 5-2-6 and 2 NC, against Jeanette 7-3-4. If you compare their resumes against these 2 fighters Langford comes out slightly on top but Wills reigned a good time as coloured hw champion which should count as much if not more than beeing an ABC-beltholder. So they are pretty interchangable. For myself i rate Wills a bit higher because he got the better of Langford in most of their bouts.
Langford was well past his prime for most of the Wills fights. And I don't consider being an ABC beltholder to effect a fighter's historical standing. Being "colored champion" is much more significant in my eyes, since the colored title actually represented a large portion of the division, wasn't full of bogus rankings and money-making maneuvers, and didn't constantly strip its own champions for no good reason.
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