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Old 07-22-2007, 09:32 AM   #31
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Yeah, I see according to boxrec he was 200 or more from the Archie Moore fight (Nov.'62) onwards. Before that he was under 200.

I didn't count, but I guess that's about half his fights from the 1960s.
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Old 07-22-2007, 09:59 AM   #32
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it isn't 'most of the 60's' though.....;O)
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Old 07-22-2007, 11:03 AM   #33
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foreman. he was horrible, no skill, no stamina and overrated power.
i get physically ill when i see people pick him over people like liston, Tyson, Louis, Dempsey, and Marciano when he was nearly ktfo'd by the mediocre ron lyle.
Ron Lyle wasn't a bad fighter at all and was a big puncher. And no one dismantled Frazier like Foreman did. And even though Chuvalo didn't go down in that fight with Foreman he was still hurt. Nobody hurt Chuvalo except for Foreman.
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:47 PM   #34
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Matthew Saad Muhammad, Lennox Lewis, and Ray Mancini.
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Old 05-18-2013, 11:57 AM   #35
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Are there any great fighters in history that you keep asking yourself, "How on earth did THIS guy manage to achieve what he did?" Perhaps the fighter lacks skill, like Foreman or Baer. Maybe he is given to winning with lucky punches, or his opponents seem to slack off in training or in the ring (Vitali vs. Williams and Johnson). Or perhaps his style looks so useless that you can't fathom why his opponent's didn't knock him into next week (Hamed, Marciano, Fitzsimmons).

Let's not include fighters whose fights were fixed repeatedly.

So...I'm listening.
Marciano, white, a bleeder, uncoordinated, looping arm punches. Does every single aspect of boxing wrong, wins every fight.
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Old 05-18-2013, 03:29 PM   #36
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Ron Lyle wasn't a bad fighter at all and was a big puncher. And no one dismantled Frazier like Foreman did. And even though Chuvalo didn't go down in that fight with Foreman he was still hurt. Nobody hurt Chuvalo except for Foreman.
eerrmm Joe Frazier?? I think a broken cheek bone and eye socket with one left hook may have hurt to judging by the way Chuvalo turns to run away into the corner cowering away?? Fast forward to 9mins 30

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Old 05-18-2013, 04:07 PM   #37
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i believe people get what they deserve and hard work, mental toughness, tactical brains, bravery ect are as important as technique and physical size/speed/power

that said jimmy wilde and canzoneri came to mind immediatly
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Old 05-18-2013, 04:08 PM   #38
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Let me say that I love George Foreman, but seriously, how the **** did he manage to achieve all that.
He was strong as a bull, could hit like a ton of bricks and enjoyed his work...aside from that, I can't figure it out.
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Old 05-18-2013, 04:55 PM   #39
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I got a guy who's short, stoop shouldered and balding with two left feet. They all look better than he does as far as the moves are concerned, but they don't look so good on the canvas. God, how he can punch.

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Marciano...started late 24-25 yrs old...short...short arms...awkward...made up for it with a great workrate...never say die attitude...great power...stamina...chin...etc
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Frazier is up there. He wasnt fast or strong but he trained hard and was as tough as anyone who ever boxed.
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Old 05-18-2013, 09:44 PM   #42
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Bernard Hopkins. From where he started to where he's at now, he really shouldn't have been successful.

Maxie Rosembloom......zero power in his fists......but a very successful lightheavy back in the tough 1930's era.
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Old 05-18-2013, 09:51 PM   #43
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Jackie "Kid" Berg.

Not a big puncher, nor particularly skilled or versatile - a very basic style of just marching forward and throwing a ton of punches. Yet he put together a lengthy string of wins including several over fellow HOFers. Go figure.
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