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Old 07-20-2007, 05:35 PM   #31
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well put cross-trainer.

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I'm referring to heart as determination to win, rather than a simple physical ability to sustain punishment. And skill, although I admit that it requires coordination, is more a function of one's ability to grasp how "it's all supposed to work" and practice diligently.

Athleticism can be defined. One's raw physical abilities--reflex, stamina, speed, power, strength--are generally essential to winning in sports. It would be hard to argue that a guy with blazing reflexes, a national-level 100 meter dash time, powerlifting score, Olympic lifting poundage, and iron man level abilities in marathons would not do well in sports. But boxing is a bit different--it's a skill sport where the fastest, strongest, and otherwise genetically gifted often lose to the fighters who can simply figure out their opponent's style better...as canny old Archie Moore would agree.
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Old 07-20-2007, 06:24 PM   #32
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well put cross-trainer.
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Old 07-20-2007, 08:34 PM   #33
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Thats who I would have put, but when you think about it, his altheticism had to be amazing. He smoked, partied and ****ed yet he was possibly the greatest middleweight ever and one of the best 15 round fighters ever. He never looked tired and the fact he did what he did with all the negative thigns in his life showed how good his athleticism had to be.
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Old 07-20-2007, 10:54 PM   #34
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Are you thinking of his performance on "The Superstars?" Man was he terrible. Stripped the gears on a bike, couldn't swim and didn't even know to jerk the weight over his head.
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Old 07-20-2007, 11:06 PM   #35
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The guys on Cheap Seats were just ripping into Fraizer during thsos events lol.
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Old 07-20-2007, 11:23 PM   #36
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Old 07-21-2007, 01:21 AM   #37
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I personally think Foreman in the second part of his career wasn't particularly athletic in the conventional sense of the word and neither do I think was James Toney.
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Old 07-21-2007, 03:12 AM   #38
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I personally think Foreman in the second part of his career wasn't particularly athletic in the conventional sense of the word and neither do I think was James Toney.

Yeah, those clips of Foreman draging a tractor uphill on a harness circa 1988 were decidedly unathletic.
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Old 07-21-2007, 01:31 PM   #39
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Yeah, those clips of Foreman draging a tractor uphill on a harness circa 1988 were decidedly unathletic.
I wouldn't confuse strength with athletism. Foreman was always strong as an ox, he's in his 50's and he still likely stronger than most, but I don't think he ever had great endurance, nor was he particularly fast, especially in his 40's (course who is?). In his second career, (not the first one, when he was younger) he basically had three attributes, he was huge and he could take a punch and he could throw a punch, perhaps harder than anyone who ever boxed, but these in themselves are not athletic endeavours, and those are what won him the title in his second career.

I'm in my 40's and I know I can run faster than him, and I probably have better endurance, and I certainly have more speed, so I may be more athletic than he is, but he's obviously a hell of a lot better boxer and is far more powerful. And obvious these attributes would apply more to someone in their primes, such as Wlad for example or even a young Foreman who would be significantly faster and in better shape than the 40+ Foreman was. Hence my decision to throw his name into the mix.

BTW, I'm not trying to knock Foreman, he's one of my ATF's I'm just trying to contribute something meaningful to the thread but suggesting him (perhaps debatable) and Toney, unlike you.

It's easy to knock someone who put's forth a name or two so where's your list smart guy?

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Old 07-21-2007, 01:40 PM   #40
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Old 07-21-2007, 06:20 PM   #41
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Old 07-21-2007, 06:27 PM   #42
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Maybe Tommy Burns? I'm not that familiar with the guy, but I can't recall ever reading anything where he was praised for his athletic prowess.
I agree with that.

He doesn´t even look athletic at all.

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Old 07-21-2007, 06:53 PM   #43
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I think Paddy DeMarco, who was from my neighborhood and the lightweight champ for one bout, best qualifies for this. Tabbed "The Billygoat," his nickname says it all: head first and flailing. No coordination, just brute strength.
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Gene Fulmer.

HAd an awkward style, but not known for much.
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Old 07-21-2007, 08:45 PM   #45
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Gene Fulmer.

HAd an awkward style, but not known for much.
I think Fullmer was very athletic in a way though. He was strong, had a lot of stamina, and actually was fast on his feet in the ring.
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