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Old 06-10-2008, 10:29 AM   #1
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Default Shane Mosley vs Ike Quartey

Who would have won this battle between two great fighters Both in there prime.
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Old 06-10-2008, 10:36 AM   #2
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I think Mosley was the more skilled overall, more in his arsenal by far, but didnt Forrest say the reason he beat peak Mosley was because of his jab? And Quartey's jab is a thudding punch almost like a power-shot. I do think though, that Ike gets a bit carried away sometimes and actually likes a tear-up, and against a top quality opponent who will be coming at him like Shane will i think he will be game. That means Mosley could start getting in powerful body-shots, sweet left hooks, looping rights, you know, all that arsenal he has.

I'll say that Quartey is ahead courtesy of his jab, but by the mid-rounds is starting to feel Shane's pressure as he knows he is behind, Quartey starts to brawl and Mosley either gets a KD or 2 to win it, or stops him late but behind on the cards
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Old 06-10-2008, 10:42 AM   #3
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[quote]I think Mosley was the more skilled overall, more in his arsenal by far, but didnt Forrest say the reason he beat peak Mosley was because of his jab?[/QUOTE]


On this particular point I say NO. Think back to Sugar Ray Leonard-Tommy Hearns. What did Hearns have that made it so difficult for a superspeedster like leonard? It wasnt just the jab power skills....He had the Freakish Size and Reach. . To beat a incredibly god gifted handspeed skilled boxer like shane.......You need a freakishly Tooled Weltwerweight so he can negate the handspeed and pure skills gap. Vernon Forrest was 6'0 weltweight with long arms, he was pure and simple a horrible matchup for shane with his long range ability. Ike on the other hand is a short weltwerweight if I am not mistaken(5'7?), and though he has that amazing jab.....I dont think he is going to as effective as a whole as Forrest was because of reasons stated above.
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Old 06-10-2008, 10:50 AM   #4
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Yea, i was thinking that was gunna be the counter-argument! I still think that Ike, even without the height, has a jab that can find such a momentum that is hard enough that it breaks the other guys rythm, which could be bad for Shane. On the other hand, you could be right, as i dont think Ike was the boxer (and i mean on the outside keeping people off) that Vernon was at 147, combine this with the fact that Ike wont enjoy the big height and reach advantage that Vernon did, and you probably have Shane winning easier than the way i had it in my original post.

I think both scenarios could be likely, all point to a Shane win though imo
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Old 06-10-2008, 11:51 AM   #5
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Shane was a master at slipping the average jab -- one of the best I've ever seen. Yet if he faced off against Ike's piston jab, combined with the feints and tight defense of Quartey, it's the same recipe that Forrest and Wright utilized to give Mosley fits. I don't think he'd lose by the same disparity as he lost to them because they were much bigger men, but I could see Mosley losing a close decision.
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Old 06-10-2008, 11:56 AM   #6
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Shane was a master at slipping the average jab -- one of the best I've ever seen. Yet if he faced off against Ike's piston jab, combined with the feints and tight defense of Quartey, it's the same recipe that Forrest and Wright utilized to give Mosley fits. I don't think he'd lose by the same disparity as he lost to them because they were much bigger men, but I could see Mosley losing a close decision.
Good point there, dont you think though that Winky and Forrest were more discipilned than Ike, not to say that Ike was ill-disciplined, but look at Ike's other top class opponent in Oscar, and Ike couldnt resist a bit of a tear-up at times, could be suiicide against Mosley.

What i mean is, Forrest and Winky may stick to the jab-plan, whereas Ike might get dragged into a fight, as he enjoys it imo
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Old 06-10-2008, 11:59 AM   #7
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Old 06-10-2008, 12:05 PM   #8
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Good point there, dont you think though that Winky and Forrest were more discipilned than Ike, not to say that Ike was ill-disciplined, but look at Ike's other top class opponent in Oscar, and Ike couldnt resist a bit of a tear-up at times, could be suiicide against Mosley.

What i mean is, Forrest and Winky may stick to the jab-plan, whereas Ike might get dragged into a fight, as he enjoys it imo
I haven't seen De La Hoya/Quartey in years now, but correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Quartey outboxing De La Hoya and when De La Hoya dropped him in the last round and had him hurt against the ropes, Quartey decided to go toe-to-toe?
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Old 06-10-2008, 12:08 PM   #9
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I haven't seen De La Hoya/Quartey in years now, but correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Quartey outboxing De La Hoya and when De La Hoya dropped him in the last round and had him hurt against the ropes, Quartey decided to go toe-to-toe?
Yea, thats sort of what im saying, against real class, especially opponents who put pressure on him, he obliges to fight without much provocation. And Mosley will be coming forward all the while. Some people think that the fight should have been stopped when Oscar went all out in the 12th, but Ike was fighting back all the way, the ref did right to let it go imo
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Old 06-10-2008, 01:35 PM   #10
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Old 06-10-2008, 03:21 PM   #11
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Quartey UD, this would look like Winky Wright-Mosley, Quartey taught Winky everything he knows, Quartey gave Winky hell too. That straight timed jab and tight defense beats Mosleys wide punches and open defense, Mosley in his prime may make it close but Quartey wins
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Old 06-10-2008, 03:30 PM   #12
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Mosley by Ud Quartey always struggled late in fights and that would be the diference.
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Old 06-10-2008, 03:52 PM   #13
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Default Re: Shane Mosley vs Ike Quartey

Great matchup, suprised it didnt happen.

It's been noted how much Forrest, De La Hoya and Wright were able to get to Mosley with the jab. But Ike wasn't nearly as mobile as they were, and had almost no head movement. So if Shane slipped the jab, he'd rely on his tight guard to keep him safe while his opponent punched. Ike wasnt a good counter puncher. His game was shotgun jab, shotgun jab, chopping right.

I think that's a dangerous game for him to play against a commited body puncher like Mosley, who could go up/down/up on guys really quickly. And while SSM wasnt a huge puncher at 147, Ike didnt have the greatest chin either.

I see Bazooka pushing Shane around for the first half of the fight, winning 5 of the first 6 rds primarily through his jabbing and stalking, frustrating Sugar's desire to get inside to throw flurries and get out. But towards the latter half, Mosley finally stuns Ike with a combo which then begins to set the tone and the fight isnt the same from here on. Another round or two after that, Quartey is dropped and hanging on much of the round. Add another knockdown in about rd 10 or 11.

The Ghanian hangs on to the final bell, with a thrilling last minute of the fight as Mosley tries to pour it on and take it out of the judges hands. Ike ferociously fires back, smiling as he did so as was his habit to do when he was hurt but having fun in a firefight.

The cards are read, and althought they have each won about 6rds a piece, Mosley edges Quartey because of a pair of 10-8 rds.

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Old 06-10-2008, 03:58 PM   #14
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Shane handled Hoya's jab well in their first fight, I think he'd be able to handle Quartey's. I think it was Forrest's massive height and reach, coupled with the jab that gave Mosely such problems, not just the great jab alone. Quartey wouldn't have those additional advantages.
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Old 06-10-2008, 04:19 PM   #15
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Default Re: Shane Mosley vs Ike Quartey

quartey was strong as hell, just like emile griffith. not a one punch guy, but heavyhanded.

his jab was like a right hand, one of the best ever at welter.

but he was also a little one paced and squared up too much.

mosley was the better all round guy, more talented athletically, naturally faster.

quarteys thumping jab would give him the early advantage, but mosley was one smart dude.

sooner or later he would adapt and start timing quarteys movements and then start landing his lightning counters.

i see mosley winning a close decision, say 7-5-
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