Which other ATG Heavyweights....

[Bokaj]

I would give Walcott and Liston the best chances. Liston could very well out jab Vitali and that would set him up nicely. He could stop him on cuts, but I don't know if his stamina would be enough to win on points.

Walcott was still fit and very crafty at that age. I don't think he could of taken too many of Vitaly's rights though, so he would have to be very careful. A points victory for Walcott is not impossible IMO.

But I do think that Lewis was better at 37 than probably any other HW.

[SuzieQ49]

Wlacott and his lack of durability would cost him big time vs Vitlai.

Since When was Walcott not durable? he faced a slew of punchers during his career more than any other champion except lennox, and only louis and marciano were able to knockout a near prime walcott. Walcott was plenty durable.

[PowerPuncher]

Originally Posted by Mendoza

Toney vs Vitali 50/50?? The Toney who had a war with a past his prime Jirov is 50/50 vs Vitali? The Toney who lost to Sam Peter on points 50/50 vs Vitali? I don't think Toney has much of a chance here.

Toney was well past it after his achiles injury. The Peter fight was a shot Toney, Toney was way past agans tRuiz but pulled it off. Vitali hasnt fought a fighter with Toneys skill set, Lewis/Byrd included. I didnt see Toney-Jirov as that hard a fight. Past his prime Jirov? HE was prime

[PowerPuncher]

Originally Posted by SuzieQ49

I am suprised no one mentioned walcott. Walcott was better at 37 than Toney was..and in much better shape.

LEarn to read, hes been mentioned

[PowerPuncher]

Originally Posted by ChrisPontius

I think you're over-estimating Toney's chances a bit here... he drew with Rahman (most had him losing, despite being public's favorite), he had one close fight with Peter and one shutout loss to a better trained Peter, a win over Holyfield who was shot and steroid NC against Ruiz.

Thing is, Toney couldn't throw more than 30 punches a round and always lost rounds to active fighters for that reason. Rahman simply outworked him. Vitali is known for throwing 50-60 punches a round: Toney is going to have severe trouble doing enough.

Toney was 38 and was done by the time he faced Rahman.

Your underestimating the improtance of defense and crisp counters. Jirov and Holy brought plenty of pressure and got countered silly. I think at 37 Toney was too far past prime to beat Vitali, the 34yo Toney is a solid possibility though

[PowerPuncher]

Originally Posted by Mendoza

Vitali tested clean in all his pro fights SuzieQ. .

SO? Testing clean pre-fight is easy, all the major roiders test clean pre-fight it doesnt prove you havent been using.

[Quick Cash]

There's a lot of cherrypicking going on here. First of all, Foreman was closer to 47 when the championship was taken from him. He was so horribly past it no reasonable comparison can be made with the Foreman of 5 years earlier. The fight with Savarese was an example of a poor exercise in scoring, but, once again, this was a 47 year old, geriatric slowcoach, and proving himself against an undefeated contender is certainly a feat worthy of praise by itself. He defeated Briggs in his next match, ran afoul of the decision and retired permanently at the age of 48.

For what it's worth, I do think Vitali should be installed as a clear favorite to win against the comebacking Foreman. However, I draw my assumptions based more on styles.

To address the point of this thread briefly, I do give much credit to Lewis for stopping Klitschko when he fought him. He is perhaps the most well-preserved of the heavyweight champions. He deserves extra credit for the level of longevity he established especially given his long and storied career facing power punchers of all sizes.

[Mendoza]

Originally Posted by PowerPuncher

SO? Testing clean pre-fight is easy, all the major roiders test clean pre-fight it doesnt prove you havent been using.

Testing clean is easy? If this was the case, no one gets caught. Please explain. Some stuff can stay in your system for months.

[rekcutnevets]

Then how do you prove he was using? Is there video, pictures, or maybe even an admission?

[Holmes' Jab]

Walcott.

[ChrisPontius]

Originally Posted by PowerPuncher

Toney was 38 and was done by the time he faced Rahman.

Your underestimating the improtance of defense and crisp counters. Jirov and Holy brought plenty of pressure and got countered silly. I think at 37 Toney was too far past prime to beat Vitali, the 34yo Toney is a solid possibility though

Yeah well, Vitali is no Jirov and no washed up Holyfield either. They're completely different fighters, both in size as in class.

[PowerPuncher]

Originally Posted by Mendoza

Testing clean is easy? If this was the case, no one gets caught. Please explain. Some stuff can stay in your system for months.

Simple, see the below table and choose the fastest clearing steroid nearer the testing date and a longer clearing 1 when your a long way from fighting. You have to be pretty ignorant to get caught if you know your test date, which all boxers know

TRADE NAMESUBSTANCEDETECTION TIME
DECA - DURABOLIN
NORANDREN
DECA-DURABOL
DECA - DURABOL
TURINABOL DEPOT
ANABOLICUM
DYNABOLAN NANDROLONE DECANOATE NANDROLONE UNDECANOATE 17 - 18 MONTHS DURABOLIN
TURINABOL
FENOBOLIN
ANABOLIN NANDROLONE PHENYLPROPIONATE 11 - 12 MONTHS DIANABOL (INJECT)
D-BOL (INJECT) METHANDIENONE (INJECTABLE) 5 MONTHS ULTRAGAN 100
MAXIGAN
GANABOL
EQUIPOISE
EQUIGAN BOLDENONE UNDECYLENATE 4 - 5 MONTHS FINAJECT
FINJET
FINAPLIX TREMBOLONE ACETATE 4 - 5 MONTHS TESTOSTERONE CYPIONATE TESTOSTERONE CYPIONATE 3 MONTHS PRIMOTESTON DEPOT
TESTOSTERONE 200 DEPOT
TESTOSTERONE HYPTYLATE
TESTOSTERONA 200
TESTOSTERONE DEPOT TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE 3 MONTHS STEN
SUSTANON 250
SOSTENON 250
DURATESTON 250 TESTOSTERONE MIXES 3 MONTHS ANADROL 50
ANAPOLON
OXYBOLONE
OXYMETHOLONE
HEMOGENIN OXYMETHOLONE 2 MONTHS STENOX
HALOTESTIN FLUOXYMESTERONE 2 MONTHS WINSTROL DEPOT
WINSTROL
STROMBAJECT
STROMBA
WINSTROLV
STANOLV STANOZOLOL (INJECT) 2 MONTHS NILEVAR NORETHANDROLONE 5 - 6 WEEKS PROVIRON MESTEROLONE 5 - 6 WEEKS PARABOLAN TREMBOLONE HEXAHYDROBENZYLCARBONATE 4 - 5 WEEKS DIANABOL (ORAL)
D-BOL (ORAL) METHANDIENONE (ORAL) 5 - 6 WEEKS PRIMOBOLAN DEPOT (INJECTABLE) METHENOLONE ENANTHATE 4 - 5 WEEKS ANAVAR
LIPIDEX
OXANDROLONE SPA OXANDROLONE 3 WEEKS WINSTROL (TABS)
STANOLV
STROMBA
STANOZOLOL (ORAL) 3 WEEKS TESOSTERONA 25/ 50
TESTOVIRON TESTOSTERONE PROPIONATE 2 WEEKS ANDRIOL TESTOSTERONE UNDECONOATE 1 WEEK SPIROPENT
NOVEGAM
OXYFLUX CLENBUTEROL 4 - 5 DAYS TESTOSUS 100
TESTOSTERONE AQUEOUS
TESTOSTERONE SUSPENSION TESTOSTERONE SUSPENSION 1-3 DAYS