Boxing  

Forum Home Boxing Forum European British Classic Aussie MMA Training
Go Back   Boxing News 24 Forum > Boxing > Classic Boxing Forum


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 06-11-2008, 06:35 AM   #31
Bokaj
Champion
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 7,174
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Which other ATG Heavyweights....

I would give Walcott and Liston the best chances. Liston could very well out jab Vitali and that would set him up nicely. He could stop him on cuts, but I don't know if his stamina would be enough to win on points.

Walcott was still fit and very crafty at that age. I don't think he could of taken too many of Vitaly's rights though, so he would have to be very careful. A points victory for Walcott is not impossible IMO.

But I do think that Lewis was better at 37 than probably any other HW.
Bokaj is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 06-11-2008, 09:18 AM   #32
SuzieQ49
Undisputed Champion
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Martha's Vineyard
Posts: 13,062
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Which other ATG Heavyweights....

Quote:
Wlacott and his lack of durability would cost him big time vs Vitlai.
Since When was Walcott not durable? he faced a slew of punchers during his career more than any other champion except lennox, and only louis and marciano were able to knockout a near prime walcott. Walcott was plenty durable.
SuzieQ49 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2008, 09:23 AM   #33
PowerPuncher
P4P King
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 20,545
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Which other ATG Heavyweights....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mendoza
Toney vs Vitali 50/50?? The Toney who had a war with a past his prime Jirov is 50/50 vs Vitali? The Toney who lost to Sam Peter on points 50/50 vs Vitali? I don't think Toney has much of a chance here.
Toney was well past it after his achiles injury. The Peter fight was a shot Toney, Toney was way past agans tRuiz but pulled it off. Vitali hasnt fought a fighter with Toneys skill set, Lewis/Byrd included. I didnt see Toney-Jirov as that hard a fight. Past his prime Jirov? HE was prime
PowerPuncher is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2008, 09:23 AM   #34
PowerPuncher
P4P King
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 20,545
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Which other ATG Heavyweights....

Quote:
Originally Posted by SuzieQ49
I am suprised no one mentioned walcott. Walcott was better at 37 than Toney was..and in much better shape.
LEarn to read, hes been mentioned
PowerPuncher is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2008, 09:26 AM   #35
PowerPuncher
P4P King
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 20,545
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Which other ATG Heavyweights....

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisPontius
I think you're over-estimating Toney's chances a bit here... he drew with Rahman (most had him losing, despite being public's favorite), he had one close fight with Peter and one shutout loss to a better trained Peter, a win over Holyfield who was shot and steroid NC against Ruiz.

Thing is, Toney couldn't throw more than 30 punches a round and always lost rounds to active fighters for that reason. Rahman simply outworked him. Vitali is known for throwing 50-60 punches a round: Toney is going to have severe trouble doing enough.
Toney was 38 and was done by the time he faced Rahman.

Your underestimating the improtance of defense and crisp counters. Jirov and Holy brought plenty of pressure and got countered silly. I think at 37 Toney was too far past prime to beat Vitali, the 34yo Toney is a solid possibility though
PowerPuncher is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2008, 09:28 AM   #36
PowerPuncher
P4P King
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 20,545
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Which other ATG Heavyweights....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mendoza
Vitali tested clean in all his pro fights SuzieQ. .
SO? Testing clean pre-fight is easy, all the major roiders test clean pre-fight it doesnt prove you havent been using.
PowerPuncher is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2008, 01:25 PM   #37
Quick Cash
Contender
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 559
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Which other ATG Heavyweights....

There's a lot of cherrypicking going on here. First of all, Foreman was closer to 47 when the championship was taken from him. He was so horribly past it no reasonable comparison can be made with the Foreman of 5 years earlier. The fight with Savarese was an example of a poor exercise in scoring, but, once again, this was a 47 year old, geriatric slowcoach, and proving himself against an undefeated contender is certainly a feat worthy of praise by itself. He defeated Briggs in his next match, ran afoul of the decision and retired permanently at the age of 48.

For what it's worth, I do think Vitali should be installed as a clear favorite to win against the comebacking Foreman. However, I draw my assumptions based more on styles.

To address the point of this thread briefly, I do give much credit to Lewis for stopping Klitschko when he fought him. He is perhaps the most well-preserved of the heavyweight champions. He deserves extra credit for the level of longevity he established especially given his long and storied career facing power punchers of all sizes.
Quick Cash is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2008, 07:33 PM   #38
Mendoza
Dominating a decade
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 13,770
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Which other ATG Heavyweights....

Quote:
Originally Posted by PowerPuncher
SO? Testing clean pre-fight is easy, all the major roiders test clean pre-fight it doesnt prove you havent been using.
Testing clean is easy? If this was the case, no one gets caught. Please explain. Some stuff can stay in your system for months.
Mendoza is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2008, 07:47 PM   #39
rekcutnevets
Black Sash
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: InYourMouth, NC
Posts: 6,551
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Which other ATG Heavyweights....

Then how do you prove he was using? Is there video, pictures, or maybe even an admission?
rekcutnevets is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2008, 06:34 AM   #40
Holmes' Jab
Master Jabber
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 2,550
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Which other ATG Heavyweights....

Walcott.
Holmes' Jab is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2008, 06:48 AM   #41
ChrisPontius
March 8th, 1971
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Holland
Posts: 9,632
vCash: 238
Default Re: Which other ATG Heavyweights....

Quote:
Originally Posted by PowerPuncher
Toney was 38 and was done by the time he faced Rahman.

Your underestimating the improtance of defense and crisp counters. Jirov and Holy brought plenty of pressure and got countered silly. I think at 37 Toney was too far past prime to beat Vitali, the 34yo Toney is a solid possibility though

Yeah well, Vitali is no Jirov and no washed up Holyfield either. They're completely different fighters, both in size as in class.
ChrisPontius is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2008, 07:26 AM   #42
PowerPuncher
P4P King
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 20,545
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Which other ATG Heavyweights....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mendoza
Testing clean is easy? If this was the case, no one gets caught. Please explain. Some stuff can stay in your system for months.
Simple, see the below table and choose the fastest clearing steroid nearer the testing date and a longer clearing 1 when your a long way from fighting. You have to be pretty ignorant to get caught if you know your test date, which all boxers know

TRADE NAMESUBSTANCEDETECTION TIME
DECA - DURABOLIN
NORANDREN
DECA-DURABOL
DECA - DURABOL
TURINABOL DEPOT
ANABOLICUM
DYNABOLAN
NANDROLONE DECANOATE NANDROLONE UNDECANOATE 17 - 18 MONTHS DURABOLIN
TURINABOL
FENOBOLIN
ANABOLIN
NANDROLONE PHENYLPROPIONATE 11 - 12 MONTHS DIANABOL (INJECT)
D-BOL (INJECT)
METHANDIENONE (INJECTABLE) 5 MONTHS ULTRAGAN 100
MAXIGAN
GANABOL
EQUIPOISE
EQUIGAN
BOLDENONE UNDECYLENATE 4 - 5 MONTHS FINAJECT
FINJET
FINAPLIX
TREMBOLONE ACETATE 4 - 5 MONTHS TESTOSTERONE CYPIONATE TESTOSTERONE CYPIONATE 3 MONTHS PRIMOTESTON DEPOT
TESTOSTERONE 200 DEPOT
TESTOSTERONE HYPTYLATE
TESTOSTERONA 200
TESTOSTERONE DEPOT
TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE 3 MONTHS STEN
SUSTANON 250
SOSTENON 250
DURATESTON 250
TESTOSTERONE MIXES 3 MONTHS ANADROL 50
ANAPOLON
OXYBOLONE
OXYMETHOLONE
HEMOGENIN
OXYMETHOLONE 2 MONTHS STENOX
HALOTESTIN
FLUOXYMESTERONE 2 MONTHS WINSTROL DEPOT
WINSTROL
STROMBAJECT
STROMBA
WINSTROLV
STANOLV
STANOZOLOL (INJECT) 2 MONTHS NILEVAR NORETHANDROLONE 5 - 6 WEEKS PROVIRON MESTEROLONE 5 - 6 WEEKS PARABOLAN TREMBOLONE HEXAHYDROBENZYLCARBONATE 4 - 5 WEEKS DIANABOL (ORAL)
D-BOL (ORAL)
METHANDIENONE (ORAL) 5 - 6 WEEKS PRIMOBOLAN DEPOT (INJECTABLE) METHENOLONE ENANTHATE 4 - 5 WEEKS ANAVAR
LIPIDEX
OXANDROLONE SPA
OXANDROLONE 3 WEEKS WINSTROL (TABS)
STANOLV
STROMBA
STANOZOLOL (ORAL) 3 WEEKS TESOSTERONA 25/ 50
TESTOVIRON
TESTOSTERONE PROPIONATE 2 WEEKS ANDRIOL TESTOSTERONE UNDECONOATE 1 WEEK SPIROPENT
NOVEGAM
OXYFLUX
CLENBUTEROL 4 - 5 DAYS TESTOSUS 100
TESTOSTERONE AQUEOUS
TESTOSTERONE SUSPENSION
TESTOSTERONE SUSPENSION 1-3 DAYS
PowerPuncher is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Reply

Boxing News 24 Forum > Boxing > Classic Boxing Forum

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump





All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:25 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Boxing News 24 Forum 2013