Can Haye beat Klitschko? - Page 2

john b · 06-23-2008, 11:52 AM

Yes I think he can it will be a terrific fight. especially after the borefest klitchko was in last time. I believe their could be a upset because haye as the speed and power to cause all the top heavyweights fits.

Farmboxer · 06-25-2008, 01:29 AM

Vlad will knock Haye out easily, no contest.

fidds · 06-25-2008, 03:38 PM

You would of said the same about sanders or brewster as well though farm and we all know what happened there. Wlad will fight scared against a banger like haye, who has the speed and power to beat him. Not that i think he will, but it isnt a walk in the park.

Either man can win

Finn73 · 06-25-2008, 03:51 PM

Just 3 words: Talk is cheap

No way the haymaker can beat Wlad Klitschko. Perhaps in 5 or 6 years, but not at the moment. Wlad in 4. And by the way - Vitali will also come back and if Haye would've a fight against him...game over in 3.

KobeIsGod · 06-26-2008, 02:07 AM

I recently saw Haye's fight against Mock and let me tell you, his punch resistance doesnt look too good. This guy has been seriously hurt against former SMWs and u got people saying he's gonna walk right through wlad.

He's been put down or hurt by guys like Mock, Thompson, Fragomeni, and Mormeck. Seems difficult to excuse every instance. Wlad has been put down but by legit HEAVYWEIGHTS. Neither has very good punch resistance but Wlad has at least taken big power shots from massive hws.

HAYE-MOCK

i'll buy his punch resistance can improve with the weight but he's gonna have a shaky chin at hw no matter what. I really don't think he can take more than a couple of wlad's straight right hands. Now Haye, has excellent power and speed himself but can he effectively deliver on Kiltschko?

I dont think so and here's why. Haye fights very low. Even now, he leans forward almost sticking his face out and keeps his left hand by his waist most of the time. He has a decent jab but seems to like to lead with power shots. On the otherhand, Wlad fights very tall behind a shotgun jab and utilizes lots of foot movement. Haye is in the far more vulnerable position.

Can Haye make this up with his handspeed. Possibly but consider Wlad's for a second. His handspeed is excellent for a HW. Just look at the tape. His jab, right-cross has got to be one of the fastest deliveries in the higher weights.

When people say it's a matter of who lands first, i agree. But it will be Wlad who will land first for the above mentioned reasons. Haye's only chance imo is to land something big in the first couple of rounds. After that, it turns into a boxing contest and he will get lit up. I would like to here Haye's suppoters respond especially about his punch susceptibility due to his stance....

HANDSPEED

ThePlugInBabies · 06-26-2008, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Finn73

Just 3 words: Talk is cheap

No way the haymaker can beat Wlad Klitschko. Perhaps in 5 or 6 years, but not at the moment. Wlad in 4. And by the way - Vitali will also come back and if Haye would've a fight against him...game over in 3.

vitali hasn't fought in what, 4 years?

what the fuck makes you think he can just come back and start knocking people over again? that is of course providing he isn't KO'd by his training camp again.

southpawslick · 06-26-2008, 08:45 AM

Haye hasn't even fought the best at Cruiserweight, what would make anyone think he can just step up and beat any top level HW much less Wlad?

boxexpert · 06-29-2008, 08:12 PM

well, whom else shall he beat at CW? vs. steve cunningham could be an interesting fight

CJLightweight · 06-30-2008, 11:16 AM

its a fight where who lands first. Haye got speed and power to hurt klitscho, and klitscho as we know has a glass chin, haye could also lose by KO on the other hand.

RUSKULL · 06-30-2008, 12:40 PM

That's the first time I've seen Haye vs. Mock and Haye looked terrible. Practically no defense whatsover. He was falling all over the place

Haye's only chance vs. Klitschko is ifhe brings a friend or 2

Minto · 06-30-2008, 05:45 PM

I think that Haye would get ko´d by wlad. Haye is always exposed to get hit.

Fitir · 06-30-2008, 07:14 PM

Haye does not need the number 1 HW to be KOed. He is not a Superman ala prime Roy Jones, he will have to eat punches and I don't think he has the chin for that at HW.
He was floored by Mock, stopped by the cat, floored by a "0 stamina" version of Mormeck... The Mormeck fight is a good indication, it's an excellent victory but Haye was unable to dominate on skills : in the end he proved he had better power/condition/will but before that he was dominated and close of being KOed in the 4th... I don't imagine guys like RJJ, Toney, Klitschko etc. having problems in their primes against a faded Mormeck. Haye has still MUCH to prove. Perhaps he will be ready in a couple of years but he should build his career step by step at HW.

Minto · 06-30-2008, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Fitir

Perhaps he will be ready in a couple of years but he should build his career step by step at HW.

Thats correct. Haye should make 5-7 Fight until he goes for a belt. He should get used to his new weight and to the power of HW punches.
Holyfield also made some tune up fights.

Farmboxer · 07-01-2008, 01:37 AM

Vlad will put Haye into the hospital or morgue.

LB3000 · 07-01-2008, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by southpawslick

Haye hasn't even fought the best at Cruiserweight, what would make anyone think he can just step up and beat any top level HW much less Wlad?

06-23-2008, 11:52 AM	#16
john b EVERTON 0- OLdham 1 ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Oldham, England Posts: 3,328 vCash: 871	Re: Can Haye beat Klitschko? Yes I think he can it will be a terrific fight. especially after the borefest klitchko was in last time. I believe their could be a upset because haye as the speed and power to cause all the top heavyweights fits.
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06-25-2008, 01:29 AM	#17
Farmboxer ESB Junkie East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: USA Posts: 37,697 vCash: 1000	Re: Can Haye beat Klitschko? Vlad will knock Haye out easily, no contest.
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06-25-2008, 03:38 PM	#18
fidds Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,244 vCash: 75	Re: Can Haye beat Klitschko? You would of said the same about sanders or brewster as well though farm and we all know what happened there. Wlad will fight scared against a banger like haye, who has the speed and power to beat him. Not that i think he will, but it isnt a walk in the park. Either man can win
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06-25-2008, 03:51 PM	#19
Finn73 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,645 vCash: 1000	Re: Can Haye beat Klitschko? Just 3 words: Talk is cheap No way the haymaker can beat Wlad Klitschko. Perhaps in 5 or 6 years, but not at the moment. Wlad in 4. And by the way - Vitali will also come back and if Haye would've a fight against him...game over in 3.
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06-26-2008, 02:07 AM	#20
KobeIsGod Don't do it son! ESB Addict Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Kobeland Posts: 3,696 vCash: 1001	Re: Can Haye beat Klitschko? I recently saw Haye's fight against Mock and let me tell you, his punch resistance doesnt look too good. This guy has been seriously hurt against former SMWs and u got people saying he's gonna walk right through wlad. He's been put down or hurt by guys like Mock, Thompson, Fragomeni, and Mormeck. Seems difficult to excuse every instance. Wlad has been put down but by legit HEAVYWEIGHTS. Neither has very good punch resistance but Wlad has at least taken big power shots from massive hws. HAYE-MOCK i'll buy his punch resistance can improve with the weight but he's gonna have a shaky chin at hw no matter what. I really don't think he can take more than a couple of wlad's straight right hands. Now Haye, has excellent power and speed himself but can he effectively deliver on Kiltschko? I dont think so and here's why. Haye fights very low. Even now, he leans forward almost sticking his face out and keeps his left hand by his waist most of the time. He has a decent jab but seems to like to lead with power shots. On the otherhand, Wlad fights very tall behind a shotgun jab and utilizes lots of foot movement. Haye is in the far more vulnerable position. Can Haye make this up with his handspeed. Possibly but consider Wlad's for a second. His handspeed is excellent for a HW. Just look at the tape. His jab, right-cross has got to be one of the fastest deliveries in the higher weights. When people say it's a matter of who lands first, i agree. But it will be Wlad who will land first for the above mentioned reasons. Haye's only chance imo is to land something big in the first couple of rounds. After that, it turns into a boxing contest and he will get lit up. I would like to here Haye's suppoters respond especially about his punch susceptibility due to his stance.... HANDSPEED
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06-26-2008, 08:45 AM	#22
southpawslick Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,888 vCash: 1000	Re: Can Haye beat Klitschko? Haye hasn't even fought the best at Cruiserweight, what would make anyone think he can just step up and beat any top level HW much less Wlad?
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06-29-2008, 08:12 PM	#23
boxexpert Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 401 vCash: 1000	Re: Can Haye beat Klitschko? well, whom else shall he beat at CW? vs. steve cunningham could be an interesting fight
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06-30-2008, 11:16 AM	#24
CJLightweight Lightweight Kingpin ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 4,522 vCash: 1000	Re: Can Haye beat Klitschko? its a fight where who lands first. Haye got speed and power to hurt klitscho, and klitscho as we know has a glass chin, haye could also lose by KO on the other hand.
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06-30-2008, 12:40 PM	#25
RUSKULL VRWC Executive Enforcer East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Long Island, New York & Clayton, North Carolina Posts: 23,365 vCash: 2811	Re: Can Haye beat Klitschko? That's the first time I've seen Haye vs. Mock and Haye looked terrible. Practically no defense whatsover. He was falling all over the place Haye's only chance vs. Klitschko is ifhe brings a friend or 2
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06-30-2008, 05:45 PM	#26
Minto The Beast ESB Full Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Dortmund, Germany Posts: 399 vCash: 1000	Re: Can Haye beat Klitschko? I think that Haye would get ko´d by wlad. Haye is always exposed to get hit.
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06-30-2008, 07:14 PM	#27
Fitir Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 326 vCash: 1000	Re: Can Haye beat Klitschko? Haye does not need the number 1 HW to be KOed. He is not a Superman ala prime Roy Jones, he will have to eat punches and I don't think he has the chin for that at HW. He was floored by Mock, stopped by the cat, floored by a "0 stamina" version of Mormeck... The Mormeck fight is a good indication, it's an excellent victory but Haye was unable to dominate on skills : in the end he proved he had better power/condition/will but before that he was dominated and close of being KOed in the 4th... I don't imagine guys like RJJ, Toney, Klitschko etc. having problems in their primes against a faded Mormeck. Haye has still MUCH to prove. Perhaps he will be ready in a couple of years but he should build his career step by step at HW.
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07-01-2008, 01:37 AM	#29
Farmboxer ESB Junkie East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: USA Posts: 37,697 vCash: 1000	Re: Can Haye beat Klitschko? Vlad will put Haye into the hospital or morgue.
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