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Old 07-21-2007, 01:18 PM   #1
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Default Henry Armstrong the greatest fighter p4p of all-time ?

Does anyone here rate Armstrong at number 1 ?

How did his fight with Sugar Ray go, and how would he have done against Sugar Ray if he had been at his peak ?

The only knock on Armstrong I can see is he lacked longevity in the sense that his peak only lasted 3 or 4 years at the most. But I reckon he made up for this with an incredible level of activity.
His accomplishments are almost unparalleled. Holding the feather, welter and light championship all at the same time beggars belief. And these were not the paper titles we see guys picking up nowadays.

On top of this, I love Armstrong's style. It's pressure boxing in its purest form.
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Old 07-21-2007, 01:19 PM   #2
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He's 2 or 3 for me. Unbelievable.
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Old 07-21-2007, 01:21 PM   #3
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He's 2 or 3 for me. Unbelievable.
I assume you rate Sugar Ray ahead of him.
Who's the other candidate for your number 2 ?
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Old 07-21-2007, 01:21 PM   #4
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Does anyone here rate Armstrong at number 1 ?

How did his fight with Sugar Ray go, and how would he have done against Sugar Ray if he had been at his peak ?

The only knock on Armstrong I can see is he lacked longevity in the sense that his peak only lasted 3 or 4 years at the most. But I reckon he made up for this with an incredible level of activity.
His accomplishments are almost unparalleled. Holding the feather, welter and light championship all at the same time beggars belief. And these were not the paper titles we see guys picking up nowadays.

On top of this, I love Armstrong's style. It's pressure boxing in its purest form.
Yeah i like Armstrong, cracking champion. Personally i have SRR at no 1 with Armstrong at no 2, but i doubt you'd be called a idiot for having Armstrong at no 1, you could have a good case for it.
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Old 07-21-2007, 01:25 PM   #5
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I assume you rate Sugar Ray ahead of him.
Who's the other candidate for your number 2 ?
Haven't got too deep but Greb is looking at the spot. I could be talked into Armstrong tho.
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Old 07-21-2007, 01:27 PM   #6
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#2 for me. But nothing wrong with having him tops. I think Manassa does.
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Old 07-21-2007, 01:32 PM   #7
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Haven't got too deep but Greb is looking at the spot. I could be talked into Armstrong tho.
Great pick.

I think Greb, Armstrong and Robinson are probably the best picks for those top 3 positions.
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Old 07-21-2007, 01:36 PM   #8
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I think Its Fitz, Armstrong and perhaps Greb thats pound for pound greats. Robinson only held 2 weight titles. Which lowers him a bit on these pound for pound list imo.
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Old 07-21-2007, 01:38 PM   #9
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If boxing was structured the same way I could definately see Mayweather doing the same.

I believe Corrales, Castillo and Spinks/Judah were respectively the No.1 ranked (super)featherweight, lightweight and welterweight at one stage.

Mayweather has beaten three of them, sadly the structure of boxing today prevents him from accomplishing the same feat.

Lets assume without the super featherweight division these fighters battle at featherweight.

Still, Armstrong is top10 in my books. Looks great on film IMO.
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Greb #1 by a sizeable margin, then armstrong, then benny leonard.
I am looking into Benny Leonard's credentials for pound-for-pound greatest. The man was amazing.

My top 5 candidates so far are Langford, Greb, Leonard, Armstrong & Robinson.

I'm not sure about Langford, since I'm starting to think he wasn't always the "small guy" in those "heavyweight" battles he had. I think he was a pretty big 180 - 200 pound puncher in a lot of his wins, and that might effect a part of his claim to being "pound-for-pound" the greatest. I need to research some more.
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Old 07-21-2007, 01:46 PM   #11
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No Fitz in the top 5?? The first 3 weight champ??? Middleweight, Lightheavyweight and Heavyweight champ??? The TRUE meaning of pound for pound?
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No Fitz in the top 5?? The first 3 weight champ??? Middleweight, Lightheavyweight and Heavyweight champ??? The TRUE meaning of pound for pound?
Good call.
I'm a bit unfamiliar with the light-heavyweight division at the time he won that title. I think most fighters over 160 at that time were still gunning for heavyweight honours ?
Still, I cannot really argue.
I think Greb and Langford were a bit unlucky to have been avoided and/or stuck in no-decision bouts by the champions of their day. Their vast resumes are better than Fitz's, IMO.

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Old 07-21-2007, 02:20 PM   #13
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I have Greb & Duran ahead of him.
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Old 07-21-2007, 03:13 PM   #14
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How did his fight with Sugar Ray go, and how would he have done against Sugar Ray if he had been at his peak ?

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He was shot by then even Robinson admits that, according to Robinson himself, he carried him as didnt want to knock out his idol
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Old 07-21-2007, 03:25 PM   #15
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I have him in my top three personaly.
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