Henry Armstrong the greatest fighter p4p of all-time ? - Page 2

Joe E · 07-21-2007, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dempsey1238

No Fitz in the top 5?? The first 3 weight champ??? Middleweight, Lightheavyweight and Heavyweight champ??? The TRUE meaning of pound for pound?

The first 3 weight champ.Great reply Dempsey.I never thought of that one.Hmm,this opens a new can of worms!Thanks.

Street Lethal · 07-21-2007, 06:43 PM

Here’s what’s really awesome about Henry Armstrong. After he lost all his titles, he continued to win against top boxers: Willie Joyce (wins over Ike Williams, Lew Jenkins, Chalky Wright, John Thomas), Al Davis (wins over Tony Canzoneri, Tippy Larkin, Bob Montgomery), John Thomas (wins over Lew Jenkins, Willie Joyce, Maxie Shapiro), Sammy Angott (wins over Baby Arizmendi, Davey Day, Bob Montgomery, Lew Jenkins, Willie Pep, Ike Williams, and a draw with Beau Jack), Maxie Shapiro (win over Bob Montgomery), Tippy Larkin (wins over Willie Joyce, Billy Graham, Freddie Cochrane), Lew Jenkins (wins over Lou Ambers, Mike Belloise, Tippy Larkin, Bob Montgomery), Fritzie Zivic (wins over Charly Burley, Sammy Angott, Al Davis, Lew Jenkins), and Juan Zurita (win over Sammy Angott). He did all this rarely weighing more than a junior welterweight. Think about that. That is post-championship Armstrong. While he was champion he was a demon.

McGrain · 07-21-2007, 07:01 PM

I swear i'm not trying to wind anyone up, but he's another one that didn't fancy it with Burley.

Though I think Armstrong would have beaten Burley at the time the fight was going to be made, but still, interesting. Anyway, to answer the question, no, I don't think it's sensible to have him ahead of Greb or Sugar Ray Robinson.

Manassa · 07-21-2007, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by My dinner with Conteh

#2 for me. But nothing wrong with having him tops. I think Manassa does.

Indeed. I think Armstrong's three year streak is unbelievable.

Manassa · 07-21-2007, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

You base your rankings more on accomplishments? Why not Greb then?

Fuck knows. Let me reply tomorrow when I'm sober

Street Lethal · 07-21-2007, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by McGrain

I swear i'm not trying to wind anyone up, but he's another one that didn't fancy it with Burley.

Though I think Armstrong would have beaten Burley at the time the fight was going to be made, but still, interesting. Anyway, to answer the question, no, I don't think it's sensible to have him ahead of Greb or Sugar Ray Robinson.

I don't know how you can not have Armstrong ahead of Harry Greb.

Street Lethal · 07-21-2007, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

Greb has a better resume than just about everyone. That's how. Footage means nothing when you see the fighters he beat and hear of him from not only them but various accounts of those who saw him. We'd all like to see him to either put him at #1 or just to see what he actually fought like.

Were you the one that posted the names on his resume to support your claim that he has the best resume? I have looked at his record and he does not have the best resume. Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, Henry Armstrong, Sugar Ray Robinson, and Julio Cesar Chavez all have better resumes. I don't know what it is about Greb that has got you so overly excited but he isn't up there with Robinson and Armstrong. He was great but he just gets inside the top 10.

Dempsey1238 · 07-21-2007, 09:14 PM

What?? Walker, Tunney, Gibbions, Flowers, and others are about even are perhaps BETTER than Robinson imo.

Street Lethal · 07-21-2007, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dempsey1238

What?? Walker, Tunney, Gibbions, Flowers, and others are about even are perhaps BETTER than Robinson imo.

Unfortunately for people who believe this we have footage of these guys.

sweet_scientist · 07-21-2007, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dempsey1238

What?? Walker, Tunney, Gibbions, Flowers, and others are about even are perhaps BETTER than Robinson imo.

Yeah but apparently they are not as good as Meldrick Taylor, Hector Camacho, Edwin Rosario and Rocky Lockrdige

But I'm sure Street Lethal is fair, they WOULD be on the level of Greg Haugen, Juan Laporte and Roger Mayweather

Dempsey1238 · 07-21-2007, 09:26 PM

Walker??? ATG. He did REAL well vs the heavyweights and lightheavyweights. I cant say the same for Robinson. If he RELLY belive he could do well, he would have try again after Maxim. He never try again after loseing. I put Walker as a top ten pound for pound imo. Only Max Schmeling was able to blast Walker out of there.

Flowers was a great middleweight champ. no film. But a good note for the record.

Gibbions is other atg heavyweight and lightheavyweight that took Jack Dempsey the full 15 rounds. That has to add something to Greb's resume in compare to Robinson.

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Street Lethal Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 494 vCash: 1000	Re: Henry Armstrong the greatest fighter p4p of all-time ? Here’s what’s really awesome about Henry Armstrong. After he lost all his titles, he continued to win against top boxers: Willie Joyce (wins over Ike Williams, Lew Jenkins, Chalky Wright, John Thomas), Al Davis (wins over Tony Canzoneri, Tippy Larkin, Bob Montgomery), John Thomas (wins over Lew Jenkins, Willie Joyce, Maxie Shapiro), Sammy Angott (wins over Baby Arizmendi, Davey Day, Bob Montgomery, Lew Jenkins, Willie Pep, Ike Williams, and a draw with Beau Jack), Maxie Shapiro (win over Bob Montgomery), Tippy Larkin (wins over Willie Joyce, Billy Graham, Freddie Cochrane), Lew Jenkins (wins over Lou Ambers, Mike Belloise, Tippy Larkin, Bob Montgomery), Fritzie Zivic (wins over Charly Burley, Sammy Angott, Al Davis, Lew Jenkins), and Juan Zurita (win over Sammy Angott). He did all this rarely weighing more than a junior welterweight. Think about that. That is post-championship Armstrong. While he was champion he was a demon.
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McGrain Diamond Dog East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 63,255 vCash: 1000	Re: Henry Armstrong the greatest fighter p4p of all-time ? I swear i'm not trying to wind anyone up, but he's another one that didn't fancy it with Burley. Though I think Armstrong would have beaten Burley at the time the fight was going to be made, but still, interesting. Anyway, to answer the question, no, I don't think it's sensible to have him ahead of Greb or Sugar Ray Robinson. Last edited by ronricks; 03-19-2006 at 03:30 PM.
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Dempsey1238 Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,352 vCash: 1000	Re: Henry Armstrong the greatest fighter p4p of all-time ? Walker??? ATG. He did REAL well vs the heavyweights and lightheavyweights. I cant say the same for Robinson. If he RELLY belive he could do well, he would have try again after Maxim. He never try again after loseing. I put Walker as a top ten pound for pound imo. Only Max Schmeling was able to blast Walker out of there. Flowers was a great middleweight champ. no film. But a good note for the record. Gibbions is other atg heavyweight and lightheavyweight that took Jack Dempsey the full 15 rounds. That has to add something to Greb's resume in compare to Robinson.
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