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Old 07-08-2008, 09:55 AM   #136
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Anyway. Keep up the good work. I do enjoy not just debating, but also agreeing on the same points and expanding them somewhat in return. You have always been in tune with myself on many points in the past. I did enjoy our Whitaker v Duran debate a few months ago. A few pages worth for good measure as well.
That one got a little heated -especially between Sweet Pea and I. You were the mediator if I remember correctly, but jumped on any points I made that you saw as off. And you still do and I appreciate it.

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Old 07-08-2008, 01:42 PM   #137
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That one got a little heated -especially between Sweet Pea and I. You were the mediator if I remember correctly, but jumped on any points I made that you saw as off. And you still do and I appreciate it.

PS/ the pic in your avator is not one I've seen. It's a beauty.
Stonehands. The Duran v Whitaker discussion at lightweight was myself and you. Pea got involved, although briefly, but it was us with in depth stuff over a few pages. It wasn't really heated. We just bounced off each other throughout our debate.

Yours and Pea's started about Whitaker and Hearns at welterweight. He said he thought Whitaker would last the distance. That was the one got a little heated. Thats the one your thinking about.
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Old 07-08-2008, 02:32 PM   #138
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Stonehands. The Duran v Whitaker discussion at lightweight was myself and you. Pea got involved, although briefly, but it was us with in depth stuff over a few pages. It wasn't really heated. We just bounced off each other throughout our debate.

Yours and Pea's started about Whitaker and Hearns at welterweight. He said he thought Whitaker would last the distance. That was the one got a little heated. Thats the one your thinking about.
You probably right- but there was more than one Duran-Whitaker debate (or Whitaker-Duran fight. Haha).
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Old 07-09-2008, 07:11 PM   #139
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Leonard was my hero as a kid, but I couldn't rate him ahead of Ali or Duran P4P. Duran was incredible at Lightweight. I rate Leonard second at Welter (Sugar Ray Robby was best at welter). Great thread discussion.
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Old 07-09-2008, 07:44 PM   #140
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^Sanchez was indeed fighter of 1981 because Gomez was favored in the fight. ANytime a man is a solid favorite and you destroy him, as Sanchez did to Gomez, as Norris did to Leonard, and Ali with Foreman, that makes you the best boxer of your time.

They essentially won their respective fights early on, taking the fight to the other man and putting fierce pressure mixed with speed, daring and intelligence making. I think Gomez came out the worst because of all the facial damage while his eyes became mere slits. Leonard merely came out of his fight humiliated and Foreman came out with mental problems afterwards but now he is a nicer guy.
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Old 08-04-2008, 12:04 PM   #141
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Leonard was really smart.
He won with his brains as much as his physical skills.
The one exception was his first Duran bout - his judgment failed him.
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Old 08-04-2008, 12:15 PM   #142
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Leonard was really smart.
He won with his brains as much as his physical skills.
The one exception was his first Duran bout - his judgment failed him.
Have you read this book yet? If so then what can you say about it?
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Old 08-04-2008, 12:15 PM   #143
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Have you read this book yet? If so then what can you say about it?
He's the author of the book Rooster.

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Click on that link and browse to the bottom of the page.
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Old 08-04-2008, 02:42 PM   #144
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^ What amazingly gifted writer!
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Have you read this book yet? If so then what can you say about it?

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