Why Ray Leonr isn't a true legend

[TIGEREDGE]

Originally Posted by Longhhorn71

Don't forget when they tried to match SRL with
Pipino Cuevas, Ray said "no thank you".

i have never heard that before. i know that they could o met if pipino had beaten hearns in the sumer of 1980

[Addie]

Originally Posted by Longhhorn71

Don't forget when they tried to match SRL with
Pipino Cuevas, Ray said "no thank you".

Yes and then he said yes please to Tommy Hearns, Roberto Duran, and Marvin Hagler.

Slap yourself.

[Longhhorn71]

Originally Posted by selfkill

Yes and then he said yes please to Tommy Hearns, Roberto Duran, and Marvin Hagler.

Slap yourself.

The unification fight between Cuevas and SRL was proposed before the first Duran fight, but Ray sat ringside and wached Cuevas break Harold Volbrecht into pieces. Ray was still "green" at the time coming off his title winning effort against light hitting Benitez.

Guess Ray thought Duarn would have been an easier fight...wrong !

History would have really been changed if Cuevas had beaten SRL in the unification, then Duran beat Cuevas to take the Title.

Duran could have defended against Leonard (who he really disliked), or took on Hearns who Duran knew was his personal nitemare.

So Duran beats Leonard in an easier fight, then Roberto ends up facedown against Hearns.

All Hearns' defenses after that are really speculation.

But Ray, the businessman, made the right decisions for himself.

[mr. magoo]

It's absolutely staggering that people even bother responding to threads like these anymore.

[TBooze]

Originally Posted by mr. magoo

It's absolutely staggering that people even bother responding to threads like these anymore.

Ironic eh?

[teeto]

Originally Posted by mr. magoo

It's absolutely staggering that people even bother responding to threads like these anymore.

Best post on the thread, i feel ashamed!!!!

[sp6r=underrated]

Originally Posted by Bokaj

I have to give it to you Rooster, you persist with perhaps the silliest discussion on this forum no matter how many people tell you this. Normally such crazy bias is expressed towards a fighter (Wealthy Elite's bias towards Tyson being the prime example here), but against? I think it's kind of fun in a way. It sure is strange.

Before his injury enforced lay-off he faced tougher opposition (Benitez, Duran and Hearns) in about 30 fights than most do in their entire career, so what of it if he was somewhat calculated in his comeback? Beating Hagler certainly was one of top 5 achievements in boxing history in any case. I thought Hearns should have won the rematch, but Leonard still showed tons of heart and determination. No shadow on him there.

If you feel that he didn't have a long enough career and solid enough championship reign at any weight to rank in top 10 p4p, so be it. But to call a guy like him a fraud, and doing so over and over? Are you really so pissed off by him beating Hagler and making a fool out of Duran?

This is a great post that really gets to the heart of the proper place for Leonard all time. In the end though he is unquestionably a legend and an ATG, the only debate is how high you rank him all time.

[markedwardscott]

Totally agree. He got gift decisions vs Hearns and Hagler.

[Vantage_West]

Originally Posted by rekcutnevets

Terry Norris sure let Keith Mullings, Dana Rosenblatt, and Laurent Boudouani get away with kicking his ass.

I wonder why Norris didn't want any more after those drubbings. I can't believe, at the tender age of 29, he'd let Mullings beat his career into submission.

I guess Hagler was getting kind of old when he faced Leonard. He was only about 2 years younger than Leonard was when he faced Norris. I still can't believe Hagler let Leonard beat him into retirement.

dont blame norris for fuck sake he was slipping and as we found out later on was showing signs of punch drunkness.there was a reason at his "tender" age that he couldnt defend himself anymore. less and less snap less and less urgancy. it was an upset that he was stopped by mullings, but you should remember that it wasnt the terrible one we saw a few years before.

and in that, mullings didnt do shit for i think 7 rounds or so until he smacked a right hand on to terry norris's jaw.

[Thread Stealer]

Rooster with his Gay Ray bashing again.

I had to when he called Leonard "limited".

[JohnThomas1]

Originally Posted by Thread Stealer

Rooster with his Gay Ray bashing again.

I had to when he called Leonard "limited".

Yeah, one of the most gifted all round fighters to ever lace a glove