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Old 07-22-2007, 07:19 PM   #16
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Ive never really understood the Angott defeat of Williams,and given some of the people behind Ike it makes me wonder ,I havent seen the fight but apparently Angott hurt Ike to the body repeatedly before he stopped him.
Whether it was originally caused by an Angott punch or not, I don't know, but Ike Williams was hospitalized after that fight and x-rays revealed that he had torn abdomen muscles on the left side of his body, which apparently was a side that Williams' was said to have been favouring ever since the first round of the fight, and from then on after until the ref finally stopped it.

Angott was also said to have targetted the injured spot on Williams all throughout the fight after originally picking up on Ike's favouring of it, like you alluded to.
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Old 07-23-2007, 06:56 AM   #17
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Whether it was originally caused by an Angott punch or not, I don't know, but Ike Williams was hospitalized after that fight and x-rays revealed that he had torn abdomen muscles on the left side of his body, which apparently was a side that Williams' was said to have been favouring ever since the first round of the fight, and from then on after until the ref finally stopped it.

Angott was also said to have targetted the injured spot on Williams all throughout the fight after originally picking up on Ike's favouring of it, like you alluded to.
Thanks for the insight,thats what I read too,it just makes me a little curious ,as it was a far from typical performance from Angott,perhapshe knew Ike was carrying an injury into the fight,either that or he noticed the reaction from Williams when he landed his first big hook to the body.
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:15 AM   #18
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I can't see how Duran-Ortiz would be 50/50. I just don't see Ortiz posing problems for Duran. I suspect that Duran would have an easier time than you are allowing, Manassa... although Ortiz was in my opinion, among the physically strongest of the LWs, his relatively static style would look mechanical and ineffective against Duran.

Ross was highly skilled and was an innovator himself and very durable. I'd favor him and Leonard against Ortiz as well by a slim margin. Loi obviously. Laguna 1/3.

I'd take Ortiz over Chavez, Buchanan, Williams, and Arguello... based on his strength on the inside and well-rounded level of skill. I'm not sure about Armstrong and Whitaker.

Ortiz was a great fighter -solid, well-schooled, deliberate. He was heavy-handed and could stop you early or late. I believe that other great LWs with comparable skill, and a style that was more dynamic and speed-based could beat him.
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HOward Davis Jr, Hector Camacho, Antonio Cervantes, and Aaron Pryor.
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Sammy Angott was and is one seriously effective and underrated lightweight champion.
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