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Old 07-01-2008, 03:54 AM   #1
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Default Thomas Hearns Vs. Felix Trindad (147)

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Old 07-01-2008, 05:51 AM   #2
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Seriously, i wanna strike first on thisone, Trinidad wins it imo.

Without a doubt the most underrated fighter on ESB- WITHOUT A DOUBT.

People are gunna talk about his chin and Tommy's power, but you look at it properly, and apart from some early fight that i havent seen, Tito was never hurt at welter, only ever flash KDs. Tito never did learn to cut off the ring at the highest level though, and Hearns could most definitely outbox him, but it would be wishful thinking by 1 to entertaint the thought that this one goes to the cards, it's just not gunna be Tommy's nature, as Trinidad will hit him with something throughout and Tommy will gladly oblige. I dont care how fast you are, how powerful you are, or how ferocious you are, 95% of the time against a prime Tito on his best day, you slug it out with him and there's 1 outcome. The war would hot up, and an overhand right over the top of one of Tommy's sickening bodyshots closes this imo, if he gets up dazed,,,,,, left hook and thats that.


This is no disrespect to the Hitman, more of a respect being payed, and rightly so, to the man i consider one of the top 2 or 3 finiishers ever, when he had you hurt it was over, and i believe Tommy was chinnier than him, and with that power, Tito could hurt Hearns
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Old 07-01-2008, 06:25 AM   #3
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Default Re: Thomas Hearns Vs. Felix Trindad (147)

teeto, I respect your analysis and find it very much possible. I do, however, disagree.

Trinidad was powerful puncher at welter, Maurice Blocker can attest to that. I just don't feel he was the puncher he became at junior middle, and middlweight. The way he looked when he blasted Joppy out was something. Joppy has yet to receive that kind of thrashing from anyone else. As I'm typing this about his power being a little less at welter, I' really wondering if it would come into play.

Trinidad, in his fights with Hopkins and Wright, seems to be tamed by a good jab. When fighters stop jabbing, like De la Hoya, we see that he is still ready to come on strong. I just don't see Hearns throwing forgetting to use his against Felix. Felix would not apply the same intensity used by Barkley, or Hagler even. Trinidad fights at a more measured pace.

Hearns by 9 round stoppage.
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Old 07-01-2008, 07:06 AM   #4
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Hearns KO6. Just plain too good and versatile allround for the overrated Trinidad. Hearns could choose to box behind his jab if he wished but he could also start off in seek and destory mode. I think once Trinidad tastes Tommys power he'd enventually be worn down and stopped
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Old 07-01-2008, 07:15 AM   #5
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Hearns was never outboxed. At times he was chopped down but Trinidad can't do that here. Felix will have to take some risks to get at him and Hearns will make him pay.

I can honestly see this being another latin blowout (Duran, Cuevas) for Tommy.
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Old 07-01-2008, 08:38 AM   #6
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Hearns was never outboxed. At times he was chopped down but Trinidad can't do that here. Felix will have to take some risks to get at him and Hearns will make him pay.

I can honestly see this being another latin blowout (Duran, Cuevas) for Tommy.
Exactly right.

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Old 07-01-2008, 09:00 AM   #7
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Default Re: Thomas Hearns Vs. Felix Trindad (147)

I give Trinidad a puncher's chance, but Hearns was too good a boxer, IMO.

Hearns via mid/late stoppage.
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Old 07-01-2008, 09:30 AM   #8
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Hearns TKO for me mid-to-late rounds.
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Old 07-01-2008, 09:32 AM   #9
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teeto, I respect your analysis and find it very much possible. I do, however, disagree.

Trinidad was powerful puncher at welter, Maurice Blocker can attest to that. I just don't feel he was the puncher he became at junior middle, and middlweight. The way he looked when he blasted Joppy out was something. Joppy has yet to receive that kind of thrashing from anyone else. As I'm typing this about his power being a little less at welter, I' really wondering if it would come into play.

Trinidad, in his fights with Hopkins and Wright, seems to be tamed by a good jab. When fighters stop jabbing, like De la Hoya, we see that he is still ready to come on strong. I just don't see Hearns throwing forgetting to use his against Felix. Felix would not apply the same intensity used by Barkley, or Hagler even. Trinidad fights at a more measured pace.

Hearns by 9 round stoppage.
I respect this opinion of yours aswell rekcutnevets, as you have an actual real opinion and have analysed the fight well and come to a conclusion that i do see possible also. You havent just simply went with what is becoming a ludicrous general consensus on ESB and overrated Trinidad.

Very good post!
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Old 07-01-2008, 10:26 AM   #10
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Hearns was never outboxed. At times he was chopped down but Trinidad can't do that here. Felix will have to take some risks to get at him and Hearns will make him pay.

I can honestly see this being another latin blowout (Duran, Cuevas) for Tommy.
There's no way Tommy's doing to Trinidad what he did to Duran or Cuevas.

While I agree that Hearns should be favored here, picking the kind of outcome that occurred to Cuevas and Duran is a stretch. A decision or late stoppage is probably a more practical and likely conclusion. Trinidad was stopped but once in his whole career by TKO in the 12th round against a natural middleweight. He was also fighting out of his natural and best weight class. Duran was easily destroyed, partially because his style was better suited for Hearns along with being past his prime. Cuevas was stopped numerous times in his career, and who's durability is hardly on par with Tito's. If anything, Hearn's chin was more questionable than Trinidad's, but I'll still give Tommy the edge, as I believe he had the overall skills and athleticism to take this fight one way or another..........Just NOT in two rounds............

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Old 07-01-2008, 11:07 AM   #11
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There's no way Tommy's doing to Trinidad what he did to Duran or Cuevas.
Why not?

That's exactly what people would have said prior to both fights.
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Old 07-01-2008, 11:08 AM   #12
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I'm totally shocked anyone would consider picking Trinidad. They both could punch and were vulnerable. However, Trinidad was knocked down around half a dozen times at welterweight against fighters who weren't in the same class as Hearns as fighters or finishers. You just need to look at the how their styles would gel. Trinidad was very static, flat-footed, and wasn't free flowing like Hearns. Trinidad was a slow starter and Hearns was a faster starter. And I'm afraid to say that Hearns would get to Trinidad before vice versa. Not just because Trinidad was a slow starter, but the styles. The jab of Hearns down the middle would land easily on Trinidad, who lacked head movement. Hearns was also quicker with his hands.
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Old 07-01-2008, 11:10 AM   #13
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Both great punchers, I'd probably give the slight edge power-wise to Hearns. Hearns was chinny, while Tito more or less just had shaky legs, and not a great chin I think we can agree on. Both are capable of hurting the other, both are capable of possibly stopping the other if one is hurt. Then again, if it took Leonard as long as it did to stop Hearns even after hurting him in round 7, I find it hard to believe that Tito(despite being a harder puncher) would do so at any early point, as I think Leonard was a better finisher in that he was much faster and quicker to land his follow up combinations.

What it comes down to is, both are great punchers, both can be hurt, Hearns is the FAR better boxer, is the taller fighter with the better reach, and has the better accuracy, fighting a very hittable fighter. Both are capable of hurting the other when they strike, but I find it hard to believe that Tito lands first given all that I just stated, even if he does just bull in, in which case that right hand that landed on Hagler would take Tito out early. Maybe 1/10 Tito wins.

Teeto, your boy may be underrated by some, but better than Hearns?
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Old 07-01-2008, 11:32 AM   #14
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Both great punchers, I'd probably give the slight edge power-wise to Hearns. Hearns was chinny, while Tito more or less just had shaky legs, and not a great chin I think we can agree on. Both are capable of hurting the other, both are capable of possibly stopping the other if one is hurt. Then again, if it took Leonard as long as it did to stop Hearns even after hurting him in round 7, I find it hard to believe that Tito(despite being a harder puncher) would do so at any early point, as I think Leonard was a better finisher in that he was much faster and quicker to land his follow up combinations.

What it comes down to is, both are great punchers, both can be hurt, Hearns is the FAR better boxer, is the taller fighter with the better reach, and has the better accuracy, fighting a very hittable fighter. Both are capable of hurting the other when they strike, but I find it hard to believe that Tito lands first given all that I just stated, even if he does just bull in, in which case that right hand that landed on Hagler would take Tito out early. Maybe 1/10 Tito wins.

Teeto, your boy may be underrated by some, but better than Hearns?
Good post Pea, and i really do respect your opinion and post, but one thing i do however disagree with you on is the poiint you made about Hearns being more accurate a hitter than Trinidad. When i watch Leonard and Hearns fighting, in both fights, (and i mean when both are having their respective best spells of the bouts) Leonard's good work imo is much more sharper than that of Hearns', i'm not talking the boxing ability of the two, i mean when they are turning it on. Then look at Tito, the man never wasted a shot, so accurate with all that he threw, if this became a war Trinidad may land the better shots in an exchange, this is possible.

There are points to be made for both guys, and i dont mind that you pick Hearns, as you, like Rekcutnevets have done it with proper analysis and insight to back up your opinion. I dont neccessarily think that Trinidad was better than Hearns, but i consider him more prolific in certain respects.

Also, on the point of Hearns being a fast starter and Trinidad being quite the opposite, maybe this would be a factor only if Hearns came out all guns blazing, like against Duran. Now if Hearns watches some footage of his opponent before the fight, he's gunna know that doing so has spelled suiicide for every1 who has tried this before him, this might make Hearns opt to box, in which case he wouldnt start fast in a brawling sense! Maybe im sounding desperate now! Haha

Anyway, good post Pea, and thanks for acknowledging that Tito is underrated here.
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Old 07-01-2008, 11:42 AM   #15
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It's not fair to use how Hearns faired against Leonard as a benchmark for comparison.

Tito would hardly have looked as accurate against Ray, as he did against Blocker, Campas and so on.
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