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Old 07-01-2008, 06:03 PM   #1
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Default Could any 20-year old fighter beat the Tyson who beat Berbick?

And could any 22-year old beat the Tyson who beat Spinks?

Personally, I can't think of any fighter who at 20 years of age would have much chance against the Tyson who beat Berbick. The only 22-year old I would give a good chance of beating the Tyson who beat Spinks is probably Cassius Clay/Ali.
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Old 07-01-2008, 06:16 PM   #2
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Default Re: Could any 20-year old fighter beat the Tyson who beat Berbick?

Simply look for the fighters who reached their prime at a relatively young age. Jeffries, Paterson, Ali.

Not that they'd neccesarily win but they'd stand a better chance than others.
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Old 07-01-2008, 07:35 PM   #3
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The young Ali in the earlier stages of his career that was defensively very open and getting knocked down by guys like Cooper, Banks, and hurt by Doug Jones is going to beat the peak Tyson of the late 80's? Tyson by KO over that Ali.
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Old 07-01-2008, 07:53 PM   #4
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Marciano would have knocked out tyson with a knee to the balls similiar to the henry lester fight.
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Old 07-01-2008, 09:43 PM   #5
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18 year Old.
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Old 07-01-2008, 09:45 PM   #6
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We should include some oft he 18 year olds he wasted his time banging in Tokyo being Buster beat his ass into the canvas.
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Old 07-01-2008, 10:17 PM   #7
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18 year Old.
Typical "little head" making decisions for the "Big Head"
per Teddy Atlas on recent FNF.

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Old 07-01-2008, 10:19 PM   #8
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18 year Old.
She wasn't 20 or 22 so it doesnt count.

The truth is, at the age of 20 no HW fighter past or present would have ever beaten the Tyson that fought Berbick. And there is absolutely no 22 year old that would have beaten the Tyson that fought Spinks.
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Old 07-01-2008, 10:26 PM   #9
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She wasn't 20 or 22 so it doesnt count.

The truth is, at the age of 20 no HW fighter past or present would have ever beaten the Tyson that fought Berbick. And there is absolutely no 22 year old that would have beaten the Tyson that fought Spinks.
All kidding aside, I agree Tyson was the MAN.
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Old 07-01-2008, 10:39 PM   #10
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Old 07-02-2008, 05:49 AM   #11
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The young Ali in the earlier stages of his career that was defensively very open and getting knocked down by guys like Cooper, Banks, and hurt by Doug Jones is going to beat the peak Tyson of the late 80's? Tyson by KO over that Ali.
I'm talking about the Clay/ALI who beat Liston. I would give him a good chance over the Tyson that beat Spinks.

The Clay who faced Banks would with all probability be beaten by the Tyson who beat Berbick. That Tyson is to my mind without a doubt the best 20-year old HW who ever lived. Maybe the best 20-year old fighter p4p as well.
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Old 07-02-2008, 04:46 PM   #12
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The Joe Louis who beat Primo Carnera at 21 might have been able to beat the Tyson of the Berbick fight.

Sam McVea aged 20 would make a good oponent for young Mike.

That is about as close as I can get.
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Old 07-02-2008, 04:51 PM   #13
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He really was a freak of nature, Tyson. He was not just extremely developed physically at 19-20, but technically as well. To me he never looked better than he did against Berbick. Spinks didn't put up enough of a fight to really ask any questions, but Berbick was very game. And Tyson completely outclassed him. Impressive.
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Old 07-02-2008, 05:06 PM   #14
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I think to suggest that no fighter could ever have beaten a prime Tyson is border line absurd, but I certainly don't think any 20 year old ATG heavy could have beaten a 20 year old Tyson, but a prime Ali, Lewis, Foreman, Liston, and to a lesser extent, Holmes, Holyfield, and Louis, all could have beaten him at their respective primes. Not saying they would, but the might have.
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Old 07-02-2008, 05:13 PM   #15
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Default Re: Could any 20-year old fighter beat the Tyson who beat Berbick?

No. This is why he is the youngest heavyweight champion ever.

Mike Tyson against Berbick is an exhibition of close-to-the-greatest heavyweight fighter that ever lived.

It is good to see the "Tyson-was-nothing-but-a hyped-up-front-runner" crowd mostly silenced around these parts for some time now.

a) Berbick was a solid, seasoned, proud fighter who was defending his crown. No other man besides that 20-year-old kid gave Trevor Berbick such a merciless beating.

b) Tyson had the required 8 to 10 years of going at a pursuit hammer and tongs to achieve greatness. Though 20, he himself was already a seasoned fighter, not only benefiting from the schooling of an all-time great trainer, but also from enviable access to the film and thus essence of the greatest ring gladiators of all time.

c) His heart was in the right place: he would do it for the only man he ever loved as a father. Idealism and dreams of glory were the mental makeup that powered the awesome physical equipment.

d) None of Berbick's veteran tactics as much as slowed Tyson, a clear indication of Kid Dynamite's roundedness at that moment. In contrast, though 5 years older, Foreman showed his lack of fundamentals in his pathetic showing against the cunning Ali. Tyson rampaged through all the baloney and would do the same in many a fantasy matchup.
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