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Old 04-03-2012, 02:47 AM   #61
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Default Re: Fantasy: Mike Tyson Vs. Douglas II [1990-10-25]

This thread is full of fail.

Don King/Tyson pursued the rematch vigorously but Team Douglas declined citing Don Kings try to have the original result overturned because of the long count.

That was only a cover up story to hide the fact that they convinced/coned Steve Wynn to become a major Boxing attraction, showcasing his new Hotel and getting mega $$$ for the "Tyson slayer"........they always knew that lightning never strikes twice so they took the , at that time, small and not considered a power puncher, Holyfield as a safe opponent who they were confident Douglas could beat due being the bigger man aka a true heavyweight.

Their plan backfired pretty early when Douglas showed lackluster training habits and was back to his own no good. Team Douglas considered a delay but the possibility that Wynn would eventually get wind of a Douglas that would be showing up for just a paycheck was to great and would cancel the fight or severely cut the purse. So they went on with the farce in facing Holyfield believing in a miracle that the ill prepared and fat Douglas could pull it off.

Douglas ordered a large amount of pizza by roomservice on the day of the fight and ate it.....Fact.

Buster Douglas is a flash in the pan who was at the right man at the right time O-N-E time in his life, he could/would never ever get himself into the same zone as the Tyson match ever again, even if he tried his dearest.

The Holyfield Douglas goes down quick if that version would have shown up in a rematch.

The Tyson Douglas against the Spinks/Holmes Tyson will fold mid point.
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Old 04-03-2012, 03:23 AM   #62
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Azzer - say this rematch fight happens, cos King outbids Evander,,,,,,,,,

OG Holyfield offered Bummy Douglas $28mill (like $60mill today!!!).

WHAT IF Dung King offers Douglas $30mill, But says he can have $35mill if he comes in below 235LBS?? Douglas considers starving his ass/drying out in saunas, then decides "**** it" - if i can train hard like Godzilla in Tokyo, i can do teh same spartan-thang in Vegas.

Who would you pick then m8?? Tinkerbell Tyson in teh suspiciously shredded shape (paid Ruddock $50k to avoid steroid-test) he was for Razza Ruddock fights VS Bummy Douglas in legendary Tokyo shape?? Read my post on teh previous page for my opinion.
As i stated before Douglas more times than not would turn up in the shame shitty shape he always showed up. ONCE in his life he put on a great performance against Tyson.

Im going by their careers. Douglas would trouble Tyson for the first fight, Tyson would win the next 9 times
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Old 04-03-2012, 05:12 AM   #63
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Hit the jackpot meaning Douglas got a poorly prepared best heavyweight in the world and took full advantage of it. I highly doubt it would have happened again in the rematch. Imagine the amount of money Douglas would have gotten in a rematch with Tyson instead of facing Holyfield!?
If tyson came in anything less than his best, that's just tough shit. The guy was in his prime years.

When considering a fantasy fight between douglas and tyson, the fairest thing I can do is look at the fight which actually took place during both primes.

Douglas wins by ko.
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Old 04-03-2012, 05:16 AM   #64
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Let's not get things twisted, Holyfield deserved the title shot.
Tyson didn't necessarily deserve an immediate rematch.

Douglas got paid $23 million to fight Holyfield, I think.

Let's not pretend there was any unfair conspiracy to "duck" a Tyson rematch.
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Old 04-03-2012, 05:17 AM   #65
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I don't think douglas would have trained as poor for the tyson rematch.

I think he'd have been determined to prove it wasn't a flule and prove he could fight.

Fight probably goes the same way again: douglas domination.
That's the thing about Douglas all the talent in the world but no motivation in life, once he got a big Guarantee for Holyfield he didn't train for the fight, he binge ate after the Tyson win, he literally ate himself into a diabetic coma after that, he never really loved boxing in the first place either, his father pushed him into it
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Old 04-03-2012, 05:28 AM   #66
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Let's not get things twisted, Holyfield deserved the title shot.
Tyson didn't necessarily deserve an immediate rematch.

Douglas got paid $23 million to fight Holyfield, I think.

[COLOR="rgb(255, 0, 255)"]Let's not pretend there was any unfair conspiracy to "duck" a Tyson rematch.[/color]
Midget Lisp had only been a titleholder for 4 years, a triple unified titleholder for 3 years, And a Ring Mag Champ for 2 years. MAYBE if Tinkerbell had been a Ring Mag Champ (teh only legit title that matters imo) for 5 years or more, he would deserve a immediate rematch, But 2 years as teh Champ is v.average And proper unimpressive. OG Holyfield had heavyweight wins VS Tillis, Pinko, Coke Dokes, Rodriguezz, Steward And MCdonagoo - of course he deserved a title shot more then Tinfoil Tyson.


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Old 04-03-2012, 05:29 AM   #67
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That's the thing about Douglas all the talent in the world but no motivation in life, once he got a big Guarantee for Holyfield he didn't train for the fight, he binge ate after the Tyson win, he literally ate himself into a diabetic coma after that, he never really loved boxing in the first place either, his father pushed him into it
As I say, I think tyson would beat the fat version of douglas but it wouldn't have proved much. That being said if douglas wants to come out of shape during his best years that's his own fault.

Inshape douglas beats tyson imo.
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Old 04-03-2012, 05:32 AM   #68
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As I say, I think tyson would beat the fat version of douglas but it wouldn't have proved much. That being said if douglas wants to come out of shape during his best years that's his own fault.

Inshape douglas beats tyson imo.
Including teh Duster Buglas who was stopped by "Uncle ****er" Tucker??

He looked canny "in-shape" to me.
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:19 AM   #69
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Including teh Duster Buglas who was stopped by "Uncle ****er" Tucker??

He looked canny "in-shape" to me.
Yeah I think he has the attributes at his disposal to beat tyson.

But had they rematched and douglas came in as he did against holyfield, tyson destroys him.
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Old 04-03-2012, 11:07 AM   #70
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If tyson came in anything less than his best, that's just tough shit. The guy was in his prime years.

When considering a fantasy fight between douglas and tyson, the fairest thing I can do is look at the fight which actually took place during both primes.

Douglas wins by ko.
You have it half right: in shape Douglas beats out of shape Tyson.

In shape Tyson beats in shape Douglas. That's pretty much how it would go down.
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Old 04-03-2012, 10:00 PM   #71
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Tyson KO7. Douglass would use his jab and speed
to land combos like in the first fight. Buster has trained
to avoid the uppercut but Tyson hurts him with a right
Hook to the body then left hook and lights out.Douglass
Would be ahead on points
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Old 04-03-2012, 10:09 PM   #72
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Kind of a silly point when Tyson was only ever rematched with Evander.



It's possible.
If Douglas showed up in the same shape as Tokyo with the same mindset, it's well possible. Tyson wasn't that off in Tokyo. He wasn't at his best, but he wasn't totally unprepared either. Douglas just fought brilliantly.

Problem is, I don't think Buster would show up in the same shape as Tokyo. He didn't against Evander so why should he against Tyson the second time round?

If Buster showed up in the 240+ range and with little ambition as he did against Evander (and I believe he would) I pick Tyson by KO in 2.
Tyson was unprepared Mentally, Physically, Technically...and had no game-plan. that's pretty bad.

If you haven't read my thread on that fight...you can

Tyson/Douglas: Tyson got beat up by Berbick, Page and McCall in Sparring

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If getting beat up by a Man you destroyed quickly isn't being unprepared, I'm not sure what is.

That said, just looking at Douglas, the Man had some great skill that day. He looked fast, agile, was throwing great combinations behind a great meaningful Jab... etc.
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Old 04-03-2012, 11:36 PM   #73
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Buster would lose in similar fashion to how Bruno lost in one of those fights. Buster was never meant to be champion and he actually didn't even like it after a while. He wasn't meant to handle all of that pressure. Hence the Holyfield fight ending.
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Old 04-03-2012, 11:50 PM   #74
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Louis LKOby 12 Schmeling. Louis KO1 Schmeling. I think this would have been similar. Tyson at less than his best gets pummeled. But then he gets in fantastic shape and beats the hell out of Douglas and stops him in the rematch. The Tyson that fought Ruddock beats up Douglas, even assuming Douglas makes it past a few rounds, which I doubt, because he couldn't even get out of round 3 against a less than killer puncher or fast finisher in Holyfield.

The rematch would have shown why Douglas was a 40-1 underdog in the first place.
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:51 AM   #75
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mike tyson tko in 7........... he woulda trained
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