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Old 07-08-2008, 05:47 PM   #46
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Liston gives , in my opinion these advantages on Klitchko. Speed, Size, strenght and power...both are skilled fighters..can Liston win?
I will give you speed.

Outside of that Liston either has the edge in everything or it is debatable.
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Old 07-08-2008, 05:50 PM   #47
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That's arm length

And as youve just shown by listing Thompson & Autin, Klitschko's reach is nothing special
Boxrec Well we must agree, that size doesnt give advantage at Klitchko so give me to name who nail him?
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Boxrec Well we must agree, that size doesnt give advantage at Klitchko so give me to name who nail him?
ARe you asking who I think will beat Klitschko?
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I will give you speed.

Outside of that Liston either has the edge in everything or it is debatable.
Maybe, if wolverine have advantage over his size against grizzly bear...
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He has neutralised every inside fighting skill in average fighters.

Give him sombody actualy who knows how to infight and it wont wash.
Well i think you're over simplifying things a bit. Everyone, and i mean everyone who fought Klitschko knew that they had to get inside and fight there to make it count. What happened? They either got knocked out trying to do so or were tied up. Brewster and Purrity beat him by simply outlasting him and Sanders by a brilliant combinations of counter punch timing, unorthodox southpaw stance, great hand speed and last but not least, a ton of power. I know you're trying to run your usual little man's argument that "all one needs to do is be able to fight on the inside and you win", but calling several top contenders "average" is not gonna do the trick.


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I will give you speed.

Outside of that Liston either has the edge in everything or it is debatable.
Klitschko has a big edge in heart. That is, unless he quits on his stool after 6 rounds with Thompson next weekend.
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Old 07-08-2008, 05:54 PM   #51
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I will give you speed.

Outside of that Liston either has the edge in everything or it is debatable.
Liston was slow by any standards (obviously not helped by age; well past physical peak in his more well known fights) - but his timing, reach, suprising inside fighting ability and overall skill make him a sure bet to steamroll the glass jawed Klitschko, even as an old man.
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Liston was slow by any standards (obviously not helped by age; well past physical peak in his more well known fights) - but his timing, reach, suprising inside fighting ability and overall skill make him a sure bet to steamroll the glass jawed Klitschko, even as an old man.
I think Mercer think same...
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Old 07-08-2008, 06:00 PM   #53
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I think Mercer think same...
What, Ray Mercer? Klitshcko beat Mercer, you know? Klit has some embarrassing losses but he still managed to beat 'ol Ray.
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What, Ray Mercer? Klitshcko beat Mercer, you know? Klit has some embarrassing losses but he still managed to beat 'ol Ray.
Old Ray, but still Ray...old Liston also. So, who well give wlad real beating?
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Old Ray, but still Ray...old Liston also. So, who well give wlad real beating?
Current fighters?
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Yes
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I'd favour him to beat everybody. However, anybody with speed or power has a chance of exposing his undeniably frail chin. The biggest threat to him currently is Peter, who, if he comes in good shape and at a decent weight, has a good chance to KO him. However, if I had to predict a result of Klit/Peter II it'd be Klitschko UD12.
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Well i think you're over simplifying things a bit. Everyone, and i mean everyone who fought Klitschko knew that they had to get inside and fight there to make it count. What happened? They either got knocked out trying to do so or were tied up. Brewster and Purrity beat him by simply outlasting him and Sanders by a brilliant combinations of counter punch timing, unorthodox southpaw stance, great hand speed and last but not least, a ton of power. I know you're trying to run your usual little man's argument that "all one needs to do is be able to fight on the inside and you win", but calling several top contenders "average" is not gonna do the trick.
Verry few heavyweights today have a sound suite of infighting skills. I personaly cant think of one. This is a major factor in Wlads sucess at neutralising oponents by holding onto them. There comes a point in terms of quality of oponents where his lack of ability to fight on the inside will be a problem.

Otherwise why did Lewis and Bowe bother to learn infighting if they could neutralise anything an oponent could throw at them just by holding?

Even if we put the infighting argument to one side, dose Liston even need to fight on the inside?

He has 4" of reach on Wlad which is a fair amount even though he will be working uphill.

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Klitschko has a big edge in heart. That is, unless he quits on his stool after 6 rounds with Thompson next weekend.
Here I have to differ.

Klitschko is no coward but he is a little gunshy and Liston certainly has the cooler head under fire. If it must be a war then Liston will aclimatize better.
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I'd favour him to beat everybody. However, anybody with speed or power has a chance of exposing his undeniably frail chin. The biggest threat to him currently is Peter, who, if he comes in good shape and at a decent weight, has a good chance to KO him. However, if I had to predict a result of Klit/Peter II it'd be Klitschko UD12.
Very careful prediction. Haye has best chance to do it....someone else, no..

Lewis Ko'ed 2 times in 44 fights and wlad have already 53 fights and in probality he will lost very soon...
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Maybe, if wolverine have advantage over his size against grizzly bear...
What do we mean by size?

Wlad is taller but this advantages can be a bit of a mixed blessing against an oponent with longer arms.

If Wlad throws a punch, Liston will be able to duck under while Wlad will only be able to pull backwards.
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