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Old 07-23-2007, 05:18 PM   #1
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Default My Top 10 Greatest Welterweights

1. Sugar Ray Robinson - Simply the best fighter ever to lace up gloves.

2. Sam Langford - He was so good no champion would risk fighting him.

3. Sugar Ray Leonard - Was almost as sweet as the real sugar.

4. Henry Armstrong - The man didn't know how to stop punching.

5. Joe Gans - I know he was a natural lightweight but fought much bigger fighters at welter; Walcott and Langford.

6. Pernell Whitaker - A defensive genius.

7. Thomas Hearns - A freak of nature.

8. Joe Walcott - Nat Fleischer rated him as the best welter he ever saw.

9. Floyd Mayweather - He has beaten everyone in his era and will continue to beat the remaining serious challengers Cotto and Hatton.

10. Roberto Duran - Better at lightweight but still a force at Welter as he showed in Montreal.

Well theres my list. My lists normally tend to favour the head2head criteria. But feel free to tear it apart as I invite constructive criticism and debate.

What does yours look like?
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Old 07-23-2007, 05:22 PM   #2
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i rate Langford at light-heavy

1.Robinson
2.Griffith
3.Leonard
4.Napoles
5.Gavilan
6.Hearns
7.Armstrong
8.Walcott
9.Duran
10.Rodriguez
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Old 07-23-2007, 05:41 PM   #3
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Default Re: My Top 10 Greatest Welterweights

One-----SRR
Two-----Duran (Only Robinson could have defeated Montreal Duran)
Three--- Henry Armstrong
Four-----Benny Leonard (Had Jack Britton knocked out, chose a DQ)
Five-----Emile Grffith
Six------Barney Ross
Seven---Kid Gavilan
Eight----Mickey Walker
Nine-----Jose Napoles
Ten-----Ted Lewis

Note: Subject to constant revision.
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Old 07-23-2007, 05:42 PM   #4
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Default Re: My Top 10 Greatest Welterweights

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Remove Mayweather! He doesnt' belong on this list...

Now if you're talking all-time Lightweights then he should be there.
Yes you are quite right. But in the future Say he beat, Cotto, Hatton and Mosley all at welter would you have him on the list then?
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Old 07-23-2007, 05:53 PM   #5
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My humble effort

1. Ray Robinson
2. Joe Walcott
3. Mickey Walker
4. Tommy Ryan

5. Ray Leonard
6. Henry Armstrong
7. Jose Napoles
8. Thomas Hearns
9. Barney Ross
10. Emille Griffith

11. Mysterious Billy Smith
12. Young Peter Jackson
13. Jack Britton
14. Ted Kid Lewis
15. Dixie Kid
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Old 07-23-2007, 05:54 PM   #6
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Well I think it's a great list.

But if you're talking head to head then you should be made to add Burley and perhaps Ted Kid Lewis. You should also consider adding Zivic.
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Old 07-23-2007, 05:55 PM   #7
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14. Ted Kid Lewis
Nice to see Lewis getting the nod from you Janitor.

Sweet leans heavily on head to head, would you have him higher under these criteria?
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Old 07-23-2007, 05:59 PM   #8
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Nice to see Lewis getting the nod from you Janitor.

Sweet leans heavily on head to head, would you have him higher under these criteria?
I think I probably would.

I tend to think that it is safer to rank on resume however since you are dealing in known results.
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Old 07-23-2007, 05:59 PM   #9
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Remove Mayweather! He doesnt' belong on this list...

Now if you're talking all-time Lightweights then he should be there.
I rank PBF very high all-time @ 130, but not 135.
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Old 07-23-2007, 06:06 PM   #10
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Well I think it's a great list.

But if you're talking head to head then you should be made to add Burley and perhaps Ted Kid Lewis. You should also consider adding Zivic.
I'm sure you are probably right McGain, I must admit my current boxing knowledge does not cover Tex Kid Lewis and Burley (though I know abit more of Zivic). The same can be said of my knowedge on Mickey Walker and Tommy Ryan. I need to read more about them and watch whatever fights I can get my hands on.

My list will defo need to be revised once I have seen more fights. I am very green when compared with some of you guys who I'm sure have seen all these fighters and have extensive knowledge on them. My knowledge needs to be broader with some of the older boxers.
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Old 07-23-2007, 06:18 PM   #11
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Something like this...

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Sugar Ray Leonard
4. Jose Napoles
5. Emile Griffith
6. Kid Gavilan
7. Thomas Hearns
8. Carmen Basilio
9. Barney Ross
10. Joe Walcott
11. Jimmy McClarnin
12. Felix Trinidad
13. Roberto Duran
14. Donald Curry
15. Luis Rodriguez
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Old 07-23-2007, 06:21 PM   #12
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You have said that you favor the head to head criteria more than anything. I have to ask where Napoles, Griffith, and Gavilan(normally consensus top 5's) are. Head to head and based on accomplishments they can't be missed.
Hey Sweet Pea, Again I must admit my knowledge of Napoles, Griffith and Gavilan is sorely lacking. I need to do a lot of research and get some of their fights before I can accuratley rate and rank them. I have much learn yet.
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Old 07-23-2007, 06:32 PM   #13
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FWIW, here's mine, based on accomplishments and head to head:

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Sugar Ray Leonard
3. Emile Griffith
4. Thomas Hearns
5. Jose Napoles
6. Henry Armstrong
7. Kid Gavilan
8. Carmen Basilio
9. Barney Ross
10. Mickey Walker
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Old 07-23-2007, 06:33 PM   #14
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Im assuming since Mosley isnt here hes on your Lightweight lists...
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Old 07-23-2007, 06:53 PM   #15
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One-----SRR
Two-----Duran (Only Robinson could have defeated Montreal Duran)
Three--- Henry Armstrong
Four-----Benny Leonard (Had Jack Britton knocked out, chose a DQ)
Five-----Emile Grffith
Six------Barney Ross
Seven---Kid Gavilan
Eight----Mickey Walker
Nine-----Jose Napoles
Ten-----Ted Lewis

Note: Subject to constant revision.
Not a bad list. Jose Napoles should be higher and replace Ted Lewis with Ray Leonard. I am not sure about Benny Leonard.
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