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Old 07-24-2007, 04:41 PM   #1
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Default Where do you put Joe Louis all time, p4p?

There's a real bias against heavyweights in p4p lists, generally speaking. But I don't think there many that were better than him at any weight ever.

Post WW2 I have him very very high.

What about you?
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Old 07-24-2007, 04:51 PM   #2
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I'm gonna guess he's your highest HW?

Who would be the next heavyweight down on your list?
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1. Henry Armstrong
2. Harry Greb
3. Ray Robinson
4. Willie Pep
5. Benny Leonard
6. Ezzard Charles
7. Roberto Duran
8. Archie Moore
9. Joe Gans
10. Sam Langford
11. Barney Ross
12. Carlos Monzon
13. Joe Louis
14. Muhammad Ali
15. Tony Canzoneri
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Old 07-24-2007, 05:04 PM   #5
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Around #15. 2nd HW on the list.

Are you sure? I mean, how sure are you? I have Ali above Louis too, but it isn't sitting very well with me tonight.
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Old 07-24-2007, 05:06 PM   #6
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1. Henry Armstrong
2. Harry Greb
3. Ray Robinson
4. Willie Pep
5. Benny Leonard
6. Ezzard Charles
7. Roberto Duran
8. Archie Moore
9. Joe Gans
10. Sam Langford
11. Barney Ross
12. Carlos Monzon
13. Joe Louis
14. Muhammad Ali
15. Tony Canzoneri
Your lists are always excellent...this one is no exception. I would see Langford higher. And you should have Burley on there.
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Old 07-24-2007, 05:10 PM   #7
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#29

35 Roy Jones
34 George Foreman
33 Joe Gans
32 Ruben Olivares
31 Thomas Hearns
30 Marvin Hagler
29 Joe Louis
28 Gene Tunney
27 George Dixon
26 Eder Jofre
25 Carlos Zarate
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35 Roy Jones
34 George Foreman
33 Joe Gans
32 Ruben Olivares
31 Thomas Hearns
30 Marvin Hagler
29 Joe Louis
28 Gene Tunney
27 George Dixon
26 Eder Jofre
25 Carlos Zarate
TBooze...the master of the list...you've put Foreman above Louis by mistake...haven't you?
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TBooze...the master of the list...you've put Foreman above Louis by mistake...haven't you?
No, Louis is above Foreman...

Louis #29

Foreman #34
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Old 07-24-2007, 05:14 PM   #10
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No, Louis is above Foreman...

Oh yeah I read it backwards.

Thank Christ.

OK, which heavyweights do you have above Louis?
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Old 07-24-2007, 05:20 PM   #11
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Oh yeah I read it backwards.

Thank Christ.

OK, which heavyweights do you have above Louis?
Just the one full time Heavyweight; Ali (#11 all-time)
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Old 07-24-2007, 05:21 PM   #12
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Just the one full time Heavyweight; Ali (#11 all-time)
What puts that amount of distance between the two for you?
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Old 07-24-2007, 05:22 PM   #13
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Your lists are always excellent...this one is no exception. I would see Langford higher. And you should have Burley on there.
Thank you, but I disagree about Burley. I see Burley as no more accomplished than Luis Rodriguez or Kid Gavilan (around the #35-40 level).

I find Langford's career too shrouded in mystery and uncertainty to rate him any higher; I don't know specifically how many fights he genuinely lost or threw, or how many losses were down to racist judges or whatever.
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that is an awesome list. Though harry greb could easily be number one.
Definitely. The only real thing separating Greb and Armstrong is the fact I have substantial fight footage of the latter.
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I always find TBooze's list quite hard to judge. Some picks I adore, others baffle me.
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