Greater Resume: Lewis or Holmes?

cross_trainer · 06-20-2007, 10:24 AM

Thoughts?

Dostoevsky · 06-20-2007, 10:25 AM

Lewis.

Holmes never unified the title or became undisputed.
Lewis also beat better competition.

Bill1234 · 06-20-2007, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Iron Duke

Lewis.

Holmes never unified the title or became undisputed.
Lewis also beat better competition.

Lewis didn't beat better comp. Also, its not Larry's fault he didn't unify, it was politics and as usual, Don King.

Dostoevsky · 06-20-2007, 10:32 AM

Lewis:
Mercer
Tyson
Holyfield
Ruddock
Weaver
Biggs
Tucker
Bruno
McCall
Tua
Morrison
Golota
Klitschko

Holmes:
Ali
Norton
Shavers
Cooney
Berbick
Witherspoon
Smith

I think Lewis takes it in terms of competition.

06-20-2007, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Iron Duke

Lewis:
Mercer
Tyson
Holyfield
Ruddock
Weaver
Biggs
Tucker
Bruno
McCall
Tua
Morrison
Golota
Klitschko

Holmes:
Ali
Norton
Shavers
Cooney
Berbick
Witherspoon
Smith

I think Lewis takes it in terms of competition.

Wait a second.
You include Weaver on Lewis's resume but not on Holmes' ??
And Mercer ? 42 year old Holmes beat him CONVINCINGLY when Mercer was young and hyped.

Dostoevsky · 06-20-2007, 10:39 AM

ok ok, include Mercer on Holmes list.
Still, i think Lennox beat the better competition.

06-20-2007, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Iron Duke

ok ok, include Mercer on Holmes list.
Still, i think Lennox beat the better competition.

It's a close call.

Raggamuffin · 06-20-2007, 10:50 AM

Lewis has better resume but Holmes is a ATG and a better fighter

Jack · 06-20-2007, 10:54 AM

Klitschko and Holyfield would be the two greatest fighters if you joined both resumes, so by that, Lewis.

mr. magoo · 06-20-2007, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Iron Duke

Lewis:
Mercer
Tyson
Holyfield
Ruddock
Weaver
Biggs
Tucker
Bruno
McCall
Tua
Morrison
Golota
Klitschko

This list has some flaws. Mercer was past his prime and hadn't won a fight in over two years, yet he lost a close controversial decision to Lewis. Holmes, was on the comeback trail at 42, and beat a prime Mercer in far more convincing fashion. Mike Weaver was also in his prime while fighting Holmes, and was well past it against Lewis. Biggs, Tucker, Bruno and Tyson were all over the hill as well. Mccall was only known for being a good fighter, because he beat Lewis. In the rematch, Oliver quit in a sobbing stuper. This fight saga is not exactly a compliment to Lewis's legacy. Klitschko, Golata, and Morrison were very good fighters, but not great. Ruddock, quite possibly never fully recovered from his two poundings at the hands of Tyson.

Although larry's resume is not exactly pretty per say, I firmly believe that it had more substance. He remained undefeated through 48 pro fights, including 21 title bouts. His first loss, came 2 months shy of his 36th birthday, and against a man who was far more talented than Oliver Mccall or Hasim Rahman. Many of his opponents were less than talented, but at least a lot of them were undefeated and in their 20's. What's more, he beat a better myriad of competition overall. While Cooney, Shavers, Norton, Snipes, Frank, Jones, Witherspoon, Mercer, Williams, and Berbick were not spectacular, they were at least better than past prime versions of Mercer, Bruno, Tucker, Biggs, Weaver, Morrision and Ruddock.

Doppleganger · 06-20-2007, 11:10 AM

Lewis did.

Bad_Intentions · 06-20-2007, 11:18 AM

holmes.

Mook · 06-20-2007, 11:18 AM

Lewis - better resume and arguably more dominant. Holmes, I feel, has gone from underappreciated to overrated these past few years.

As for this:

Lewis has better resume but Holmes is a ATG and a better fighter

Lewis had greater variety and is also and ATG.

06-20-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack

Klitschko and Holyfield would be the two greatest fighters if you joined both resumes, so by that, Lewis.

Norton and Holyfield are the greatest fighters there, in my opinion.

Vitali Klitschko is almost completely unproven against top heavyweight fighters. Seriously, the best win on his resume is some guy that Hasim Rahman had already knocked out, with little or no fanfare I might add.
Corrie Sanders, Kirk Johnson, Larry Donald - that's not enough to be rated above Ken Norton, IMO, who beat Muhammad Ali once and arguably twice.

ChrisPontius · 06-20-2007, 11:39 AM

Lewis has an all-round better resume and his best win (dominated a 36 year old Holyfield) is better than Holmes' best win (close win over an aging Norton).

If there was any doubt, the fact that Lewis actually took on dangerous fights and unified whereas Holmes didn't do so from 1982 should make the difference.

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Dostoevsky Hardcore......to the max! ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Kingdom of Fife, Scotland. Posts: 2,848 vCash: 1000	Re: Greater Resume: Lewis or Holmes? Lewis: Mercer Tyson Holyfield Ruddock Weaver Biggs Tucker Bruno McCall Tua Morrison Golota Klitschko Holmes: Ali Norton Shavers Cooney Berbick Witherspoon Smith I think Lewis takes it in terms of competition.
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Mook Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 225 vCash: 1000	Re: Greater Resume: Lewis or Holmes? Lewis - better resume and arguably more dominant. Holmes, I feel, has gone from underappreciated to overrated these past few years. As for this: Lewis has better resume but Holmes is a ATG and a better fighter Lewis had greater variety and is also and ATG.
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