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Old 07-27-2007, 12:59 PM   #1
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Default Joe Calzaghe would be more likely to beat Samuel Peter than Sugar Ray Robinson

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Joe Calzaghe would be more likely to be willing to fight Glen Johnson and then fight Sven Ottke in his hometown than beat either of those 2 guys.
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Old 07-27-2007, 01:03 PM   #3
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Joe Calzaghe would be more likely to be willing to fight Glen Johnson and then fight Sven Ottke in his hometown than beat either of those 2 guys.

There is certainly no denying that.

Hypothetically though.
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Old 07-27-2007, 01:08 PM   #4
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Hard to say.

Calzaghe would certainly have a chance against SRR if the fight was at 168.

Against Peter at Heavy, it would depend on how much speed Calzaghe would lose by putting on the extra weight.
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Old 07-27-2007, 01:09 PM   #5
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You just have to look at SRRs record at 160 to see Calzaghe should be heavily, heavily favored -fullstop-
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You just have to look at SRRs record at 160 to see Calzaghe should be heavily, heavily favored -fullstop-
Robinson's record of winning the linear middleweight championship and fighting the top-ranked contenders in that division should be a dead giveaway that Calzaghe (who has done neither) clobbers him?
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Basically Calzaghe has fought no-one of note and SRR has a string of ATG's under his belt (though he too ducked (or failed to fight if you prefer) many great fighters) - but what about the step up? I'd enivisage Cal doing it at about 180.
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Old 07-27-2007, 01:19 PM   #8
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You just have to look at SRRs record at 160 to see Calzaghe should be heavily, heavily favored.
SRR's record at middle contains some ATG's and some really good fighters. Cal's record at 168 contains none of the former and some of the later.

If it's records you're discussing it's no contest.

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Old 07-27-2007, 01:20 PM   #9
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Robinson's record of winning the linear middleweight championship and fighting the top-ranked contenders in that division should be a dead giveaway that Calzaghe (who has done neither) clobbers him?
If only the loses hadn't happened -fullstop- It takes more than the greatest WW of all time to beat a legendary SMW at SMW -fullstop- It is especially ridiculous to argue otherwise since Calzaghe is a larger framed 168-er too -fullstop-
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Old 07-27-2007, 01:22 PM   #10
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Please.Robinson would have embalmed Calzaghe.Peter, on the other hand, had hells own time with a bloated, obese, past his prime, should-be middleweight James Toney.Joe might have a chance against the mediocre Nigerian.

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If only the loses hadn't happened -fullstop- It takes more than the greatest WW of all time to beat a legendary SMW at SMW -fullstop-
By that rationalle, Marciano beats Lewis because he never lost a fight.

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It is especially ridiculous to argue otherwise since Calzaghe is a larger framed 168-er too -fullstop-
Robinson was also one of the greatest middleweights of all time, and has a vastly better record at middleweight than Calzaghe does at supermiddleweight. It's not really a stretch to say that a top 5 middleweight can beat an unexceptional supermiddleweight records-wise.
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I don't believe he ducked anyone, just look @ his record, he'#s got many losses on his record.

I honestly believe fighters like Robinson + Louis (Not Ali before anyone mentions him) genuinely fought any and everyone they could providing the cash was there because they fought with pride, for a purpose, the make a point and stand on their own two feet in a persecuted world. .
I wish I could agree, but I can't. He ducked Burley for sure, but he also failed to fight Cocoa Kid, Holman Williams, Lloyd Marshall, Jack Chase...he also missed out on Archie Moore and Ezzard Charles.
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By that rationalle, Marciano beats Lewis because he never lost a fight.


Robinson was also one of the greatest middleweights of all time, and has a vastly better record at middleweight than Calzaghe does at supermiddleweight. It's not really a stretch to say that a top 5 middleweight can beat an unexceptional supermiddleweight records-wise.
There is absolutely nothing the record or the video evidence of SRR to suggest he stands a chance against Joe Calzaghe, his only hope is that Calzaghe breaks both his hands -fullstop- Cazlaghe footage shows a strong, fast, skilled fighter who isn't going to lose to a Welterweight (Robinsons optimum weight), no matter how good that Welterweight is -fullstop- And we all know Calzaghe is exceptional and better than any opponent Robinson ever faced P4P -fullstop-
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Please.Robinson would have embalmed Calzaghe.Peter, on the other hand, had hells own time with a bloated, obese, past his prime, should-be middleweight James Toney.Joe might have a chance against the mediocre Nigerian.
Im not gonna argue with that, I havent seen that much of SRR in all honesty and its hard to argue against the best fighter of all time. At 168 though SRR might not be as awsome as everyone thinks, especially against Joe who's the number 2 SMW in history imo and will most likely end his career as Number1. SRR is really a Welterweight and to be honest I dont see a Welterweight beating one of the best SMW's ever and a big SMW at that. Joe could easily move to light-heavy no problems at all.

Again I think its down to speed if he moved up to fight Peter. If Joe went into the fight at around 180-185 and managed to retain 70-80% of his handspeed and movement he'd have a chance of moving into the inside with his quick flurries and then moving back out before Peter has a chance to land anything of significance to eventually win a sort of 116 or 117 UD.
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Old 07-27-2007, 01:34 PM   #15
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There is absolutely nothing the record
Well his record shows him beating many good MW's, which is a start.


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or the video evidence of SRR to suggest he stands a chance against Joe Calzaghe
Silly thing to say. SRR shows himself to be a puncher at MW with very quick hands, feet, every punch in the book.



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Cazlaghe footage shows a strong, fast,
Slower in both hand and foot than Sugar though.


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skilled fighter
Less skilled than Sugar.


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who isn't going to lose to a Welterweight (Robinsons optimum weight), no matter how good that Welterweight is -fullstop-
I'm pretty sure you know that Sugar fought at middle. He'd probably be weighing 163 for a Calzaghe fight, if you're interested.
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