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Old 07-31-2008, 10:05 AM   #16
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Old 07-31-2008, 10:11 AM   #17
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The Marvelous one was an 80s phenomenon, a brilliant fighter, but the Middleweights are probably second only in strength all-time in the classic eight to the Welterweights.

Hagler was amazing in so many ways, but he did have weaknesses that he could of resolved such as poor trainers, poor tactics and to a point, poor ring generalship. I do not see any of the other six rated above him, having weaknesses that they did not try to improve on as their career developed.

Maybe Marvin needed that stubbornness to motivate himself to perform the way he did it, but it has to ultimately hurt his status when rating him against the very best of the last 130 years or so.
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Old 07-31-2008, 10:15 AM   #18
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some would disagree with that. a lot of people say that he beat mostly welterweights.

i am not as knowlegable about CM but I know that he beat Bennie Briscoe and that Valdez fella twice. both were pretty hot in there day
Well, these ww were more proven at mw than Haglerīs wws were.

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i wouldnt compare it to todays heavyweights. there was a few good fighters about
I compared it to the hw-division of its own era.
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Old 07-31-2008, 10:17 AM   #19
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Old 07-31-2008, 10:56 AM   #20
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Old 07-31-2008, 01:47 PM   #21
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Old 07-31-2008, 02:48 PM   #22
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Hagler rates at #3 for me.
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Old 07-31-2008, 03:43 PM   #23
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Hagler rates at #3 for me.
Behind Greb and Monzon at a guess?
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Old 07-31-2008, 04:21 PM   #24
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Hagler is usually 3 for me, but im considering putting him at number 4, as i think Monzon's resume at MW may be better. I actually have Robinson at 2 behind Greb. Before everyone jumps at that, it can be justified imo, but admittedly only from a certain viewpoint, i dont mind that others dont have him there.

Hagler beat some very good opposition on the way to getting the title. Hearns was a terriffic 1 for him, but people can take away from it in that Hearns wasnt really one of the great MWs, but was still a top MW in terms of h2h, so that would be the counter-argument there for me.

Hagler's greatness cant be questioned at 160 imo.
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Hagler's greatness cant be questioned at 160 imo.
Definitly. And also i donīt think you can justify him beeing ranked outside of the Top5
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Definitly. And also i donīt think you can justify him beeing ranked outside of the Top5
Yeah, i always say that the top 5 or so at MW (in terms of greatness) is the tightest top 5 in any weight division's history. To have a guy at 5 who others have at 2 is not really discrediting him on this subject imo, it's so close. I always had Greb, Robinson, Hagler, Monzon and Ketchel, but now i have put Hopkins in there in Ketchel's place and personally put him now at 6. So it's actually a very tight top 6. The positions on the list of Mnzon and Hagler are really difficult to determine for me.
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Old 08-02-2008, 10:49 AM   #27
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Hagler was possibly the greatest natural middleweight of all time.
Only Robinson and Leanord would have beat him in his prime, and were better fighters.
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Old 08-02-2008, 01:46 PM   #28
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A rare sight indeed. Even though it was called a knockdown and Hagler took a count, the referee claimed days later he called it wrong and it should have been ruled as a slip rather than a knockdown.

With that said, still doesn't look right to see Hagler looking at Roldan's boots.
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Old 08-02-2008, 02:09 PM   #29
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Hagler is POSSIBLY the best ever MWT as far as title reign, its debatable but Im certain he loses to the Robinson that TKOd Lamotta in a H2H fight.

I think SRR could build a lead with his boxing ability similar to what Leonard did except SRR would do better trading with Marvin who didnt really respect Leonards power.

I thought SRL beat Hagler fair & square mainly thru boxing skills but SRR could actually hurt Marvin enough to make Marvin box more than he wanted to rather than constantly charge inside & that respect earned by SRRs power would enable SRR to outbox Marvin over 12/15 rds IMO.
Nobody gets stopped in this one but if anyone does... it aint Robinson.

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Old 08-02-2008, 03:56 PM   #30
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As tremendous a fighter as Marv was, I wonder if he could have been even greater with a better corner.
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