the best fighter from asia

good right hand · 08-02-2008, 08:53 PM

kosai galaxy?... he was a unstoppable force that never fought a boxer he couldent beat.

elorde?... held the 130lb uneversally recognized title for 7 years!

villa?... mysterious fighter who beat the great wilde.

harada?... twice beating eder and beating and disputing with pone.

sahaprom?... wba bantam weight title in 4 fight and wbc batam title for 6 years.

wongjongkam?... 6 year wbc flyweight champion who is on the comeback.

pacquaio?... exiting intense fighter who is now a 4 or 5 division champion (depending on who you credit)

the cobra · 08-03-2008, 12:11 PM

Definitely Harada in my opinion. The only man to ever beat Jofre in 78 fights, and he did it twice (although both were close), stopping Kingpetch and then losing a bad decision to him in the rematch, plus wins over Ebihara and Jose Medal. Flyweight and Bantamweight champion.

I think Villa, Elorde, Pacquiao, and maybe Galaxy all could be argued for 2nd.

Wonjongkam, sahamprom, and Kingpetch himself are a little off.

Sweet Pea · 08-03-2008, 12:16 PM

Fighting Harada is the clear cut #1 IMO.

Others among the best include Pancho Villa, Manny Pacquiao, Flash Elorde, Hiroyuki Ebihara, Jung-Koo Chang, Pone Kingpetch, Jiro Watanabe, Sung-Kil Moon, Masao Ohba, Yoko Gushiken, etc.

Galaxy has no argument IMO. Not very good on film combined with a terrible resume doesn't bode well for someone vying for an ATG spot. I still have yet to understand people's fascination with him.

the cobra · 08-03-2008, 04:53 PM

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Galaxy has no argument IMO. Not very good on film combined with a terrible resume doesn't bode well for someone vying for an ATG spot. I still have yet to understand people's fascination with him.

I don't think Galaxy has an argument for the #1 spot at all either. Personally, I rate Harada, Pacquiao, Villa, and Elorde as the top 4, I might argue Ebihara and Kingpetch over Galaxy, but I'd say he's on the level all-time of Watanabe or Chang. People like his dominance, 19 defenses of his belt and 16 by knockout, avenged the lone loss in 50 fights. However, his division is historically weak, it was very weak at that period, and he didn't even fight the best available.

He's top 10 all-time from Asia in my mind, but I don't think he'd make it in my top 5, although I don't believe Ebihara or Kingpetch are without question above him.

janitor · 08-03-2008, 05:03 PM

I guess Villa and Harada can slug it out at the moment.

Paquiao is closing on them.

We are in the presence of greatness.

Mantequilla · 08-03-2008, 05:09 PM

His division was not very weak when he was fighting.

The eighties is considered the superfly golden era and he didn't fight any of the other top fighters, bar a totally shot Rafael Orono.

You had Orono, Ballas, Watanabe, Roman, Baby Rojas, Konadu, Moon, Laciar and others around at the time.

Ebihara and Kingpetch fought during one of the best era's for the Flyweights and by contrast, they fought a considerable amount of quality opposition.

Chang also beat some of the best of his era like zapata(twice really) and Chitalada.I rate him higher than Villa.

Sweet Pea · 08-03-2008, 05:13 PM

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I don't think Galaxy has an argument for the #1 spot at all either. Personally, I rate Harada, Pacquiao, Villa, and Elorde as the top 4, I might argue Ebihara and Kingpetch over Galaxy, but I'd say he's on the level all-time of Watanabe or Chang. People like his dominance, 19 defenses of his belt and 16 by knockout, avenged the lone loss in 50 fights. However, his division is historically weak, it was very weak at that period, and he didn't even fight the best available.

He's top 10 all-time from Asia in my mind, but I don't think he'd make it in my top 5, although I don't believe Ebihara or Kingpetch are without question above him.

Mantequilla mimics my thoughts on this. His division was quite strong actually, he just never fought any of the top guys. I'd have favored guys like Roman, Konadu, Watanabe, etc to beat him handily as well. Much more skilled boxers.

Rebel-INS · 08-03-2008, 05:30 PM

Fighting Harada. His wins over Eder Jofre are pretty much enough to secure this place, and he was also robbed in a few big fights as well.

Depending on how Pacquiao does in the next few years we may see a change, but at the minute it's definitely Harada.

bladerunner · 08-03-2008, 05:32 PM

Harada but Pac is closing in.

sweet_scientist · 08-03-2008, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by the cobra

Definitely Harada in my opinion. The only man to ever beat Jofre in 78 fights, and he did it twice (although both were close), stopping Kingpetch and then losing a bad decision to him in the rematch, plus wins over Ebihara and Jose Medal. Flyweight and Bantamweight champion.

And should have been featherweight champ too. I had him beating Johnny Famechon by a full 5 points.

Mantequilla · 08-03-2008, 05:56 PM

Any opinions on Sahaprom now that his career has been over for a while.

He was a very nice classy boxer-puncher.I tend to see him knocking Rafael Marquez out cold had they tried to unify.

Sweet Pea · 08-03-2008, 06:02 PM

How would you wager a prime Sahaprom would've done against Konadu? He dropped him early, but overall Konadu just had too much class and skill for him at that early stage of his career.

TommyV · 08-03-2008, 06:07 PM

Galaxy is vastly over-rated. Harada at the moment with Pacman catching though. Pancho Villa is overlooked normally and deserves a mention as Sweet Pea says.

Sweet Pea · 08-03-2008, 06:16 PM

Other notables include Ceferino Garcia and guys like Rolando Navarette, Soo-Hwan Hong, Myung-Woo Yuh, Chan-Hee Park(whom I haven't seen footage of but have heard great things about), Chartchai Chionoi, Luisito Espinosa, Yutaka Niida, etc.

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good right hand Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Go to the body... there's organs in there Posts: 953 vCash: 1000	the best fighter from asia kosai galaxy?... he was a unstoppable force that never fought a boxer he couldent beat. elorde?... held the 130lb uneversally recognized title for 7 years! villa?... mysterious fighter who beat the great wilde. harada?... twice beating eder and beating and disputing with pone. sahaprom?... wba bantam weight title in 4 fight and wbc batam title for 6 years. wongjongkam?... 6 year wbc flyweight champion who is on the comeback. pacquaio?... exiting intense fighter who is now a 4 or 5 division champion (depending on who you credit)
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08-03-2008, 12:11 PM	#2
the cobra Awesomeizationism! East Side Guru Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,991 vCash: 1000	Re: the best fighter from asia Definitely Harada in my opinion. The only man to ever beat Jofre in 78 fights, and he did it twice (although both were close), stopping Kingpetch and then losing a bad decision to him in the rematch, plus wins over Ebihara and Jose Medal. Flyweight and Bantamweight champion. I think Villa, Elorde, Pacquiao, and maybe Galaxy all could be argued for 2nd. Wonjongkam, sahamprom, and Kingpetch himself are a little off. Last edited by the cobra; 08-03-2008 at 04:54 PM.
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Sweet Pea P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: I never sleep, cuz sleep is the cousin of death Posts: 16,432 vCash: 1000	Re: the best fighter from asia Fighting Harada is the clear cut #1 IMO. Others among the best include Pancho Villa, Manny Pacquiao, Flash Elorde, Hiroyuki Ebihara, Jung-Koo Chang, Pone Kingpetch, Jiro Watanabe, Sung-Kil Moon, Masao Ohba, Yoko Gushiken, etc. Galaxy has no argument IMO. Not very good on film combined with a terrible resume doesn't bode well for someone vying for an ATG spot. I still have yet to understand people's fascination with him.
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08-03-2008, 05:03 PM	#5
janitor P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 19,045 vCash: 1000	Re: the best fighter from asia I guess Villa and Harada can slug it out at the moment. Paquiao is closing on them. We are in the presence of greatness.
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08-03-2008, 05:09 PM	#6
Mantequilla Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,495 vCash: 1000	Re: the best fighter from asia His division was not very weak when he was fighting. The eighties is considered the superfly golden era and he didn't fight any of the other top fighters, bar a totally shot Rafael Orono. You had Orono, Ballas, Watanabe, Roman, Baby Rojas, Konadu, Moon, Laciar and others around at the time. Ebihara and Kingpetch fought during one of the best era's for the Flyweights and by contrast, they fought a considerable amount of quality opposition. Chang also beat some of the best of his era like zapata(twice really) and Chitalada.I rate him higher than Villa.
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Rebel-INS Mighty Healthy ESB Addict Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,420 vCash: 1000	Re: the best fighter from asia Fighting Harada. His wins over Eder Jofre are pretty much enough to secure this place, and he was also robbed in a few big fights as well. Depending on how Pacquiao does in the next few years we may see a change, but at the minute it's definitely Harada.
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bladerunner El Intocable East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 20,355 vCash: 0	Re: the best fighter from asia Harada but Pac is closing in.
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Mantequilla Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,495 vCash: 1000	Re: the best fighter from asia Any opinions on Sahaprom now that his career has been over for a while. He was a very nice classy boxer-puncher.I tend to see him knocking Rafael Marquez out cold had they tried to unify.
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Sweet Pea P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: I never sleep, cuz sleep is the cousin of death Posts: 16,432 vCash: 1000	Re: the best fighter from asia How would you wager a prime Sahaprom would've done against Konadu? He dropped him early, but overall Konadu just had too much class and skill for him at that early stage of his career.
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TommyV Spit That Mad Game Yo! East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: South-East/Greater London. Posts: 51,672 vCash: 1987	Re: the best fighter from asia Galaxy is vastly over-rated. Harada at the moment with Pacman catching though. Pancho Villa is overlooked normally and deserves a mention as Sweet Pea says.
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Sweet Pea P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: I never sleep, cuz sleep is the cousin of death Posts: 16,432 vCash: 1000	Re: the best fighter from asia Other notables include Ceferino Garcia and guys like Rolando Navarette, Soo-Hwan Hong, Myung-Woo Yuh, Chan-Hee Park(whom I haven't seen footage of but have heard great things about), Chartchai Chionoi, Luisito Espinosa, Yutaka Niida, etc.
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