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Old 07-26-2007, 06:57 PM   #1
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Default Anyone score Ali-Frazier II For Joe?

Frazier is happy the judges got it wrong and the boys at the New York Times seem to have agreed...anyone else?

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Old 07-26-2007, 07:08 PM   #2
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It seemed like a fair decision, but I didn't watch it that carefully. It was a pretty dreadful fight and I wouldn't want to sit through it again to score it.
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Old 07-26-2007, 07:11 PM   #3
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It was a pretty dreadful fight and I wouldn't want to sit through it again to score it.
Yes. Apparantley Futch re-watched it and counted 133 clinches.
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Old 07-26-2007, 07:12 PM   #4
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I had the first fight for ali actually
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Old 07-26-2007, 08:02 PM   #5
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the first fight for ali? fraiser was a man possessed that night
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Old 07-26-2007, 10:45 PM   #6
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Witness the unholy power of the ali legend, in fights where he got beaten like he stole something nuthuggers somehow find a way for him to actually have won.
You know, if theres anyone that i do nuthug it probably is Ali, but i think the scoring of today and in the 60s was totally different cause Ali was landing alot of shots cleanly, granted he faded down the stretch, but everytime i watch the fight i hear the anouncers say that Alis clinching is going against his scoring. I see that all the time these days, a prime example is just this last weekends fight, Wright Vs. Hops, Wright was landing the cleaner shots, Bhop was doing most of the clinching and yet Bhop won the fight! Granted this was no Ali-Frazier, but the scoring is very different today. Going back to my original point, i think if that fight happened today, judges would score it for Ali, for his ring generalship, and clean punching.
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Old 07-26-2007, 10:47 PM   #7
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Ring Generalship??? Fraizer had Ali pin on the ropes for most of that fight.
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Old 07-26-2007, 10:48 PM   #8
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Ring Generalship??? Fraizer had Ali pin on the ropes for most of that fight.
Towards the end of the fight yes, indeed, no denying that. However this was a 15 round fight, and Ali did alot of dancing then would stop and nail Frazier to his head with flashy combos.
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It seemed like a fair decision, but I didn't watch it that carefully. It was a pretty dreadful fight and I wouldn't want to sit through it again to score it.
True. Time after time, the action was stopped due to clinching. YAWN.
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Old 07-26-2007, 11:00 PM   #10
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Try the 7th round on, Ali took the early rounds, But Frazier control the fight from the middlerounds on, and won BIG in rounds 11 and 15. I just dont see how one can score it for Ali.
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Old 07-26-2007, 11:16 PM   #11
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You know, if theres anyone that i do nuthug it probably is Ali, but i think the scoring of today and in the 60s was totally different cause Ali was landing alot of shots cleanly, granted he faded down the stretch, but everytime i watch the fight i hear the anouncers say that Alis clinching is going against his scoring. I see that all the time these days, a prime example is just this last weekends fight, Wright Vs. Hops, Wright was landing the cleaner shots, Bhop was doing most of the clinching and yet Bhop won the fight! Granted this was no Ali-Frazier, but the scoring is very different today. Going back to my original point, i think if that fight happened today, judges would score it for Ali, for his ring generalship, and clean punching.
First of all, the fight wasn't in the 60s. Second, Hopkins landed the cleaner, more effective shots all night. Check out the first round, for instance. You'll find a beautiful right hand landing on Wright, flush.
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Old 07-26-2007, 11:39 PM   #12
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ali/frazier II was not a world class effort by either faction. still i had frazier winning.

as great as he was, ali was amplified by the media. not quite a media creation, but media-subsidized, perhaps.
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I had the first fight for ali actually
It was a close fight, but I think Frazier sealed the deal in the 11th and 15th rounds. Ali really put on a show early, didn't he? But he clowned around too much later on. Smokin' Joe was all business in there, and that's what the judges were looking for. Ali probably landed more punches, but Frazier's had more authority. He was the effective aggressor. Ali made most of the clinches. I don't think I have ever seen Ali in more trouble than he was in round 11. Joe had him on queer street.
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Old 07-27-2007, 01:05 AM   #14
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The second fight I thought Ali won but I have never scored it.
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Old 07-27-2007, 01:29 AM   #15
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Only an extreme Ali-hater would score the second fight for Frazier. Ali controlled the fight the whole time and was never in any trouble. He even had Frazier in big trouble in the second round, and if not for the referee stopping the action, Frazier probably would have gone down in that round. Frazier didn't win more than three rouds, IMO. I scored the fight 9-2-1 in favor of Ali.
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