The Anti-American sentiment on here...

sues2nd · 07-28-2007, 06:35 PM

First, I want to ask all of the mods on here to PLEASE leave this in this section of the forums....it is more valid in here in this section than anywhere else on the board.

Please...and thank you.

Now onto the post....

Ok, let me start by saying why I am making this post. As of late on here, I have noticed a huge rise in the negativity toward anything US on this forum coming from the non-us posters. Whether it be US fighters....US events....or most notably US posters.

Its become that if you favor say, Mayweather over Hatton...you do so because your from the United States. Never mind any real concrete reason.

Recently I have had this said to me because of the following...

1- I felt Whitaker would beat KT.
2- I felt PRIME Holyfield would beat Sultan.
3- I feel Hopkins still poses a huge threat to Calzaghe.

As I said, its like noone can even argue a point anymore without bringing this into the arguement....valid or not. Before, I would take this as admission of the fact that they couldnt bring anything concrete into the arguement....but the rise in this stupidity has made it MUCH more prevelent as of late. I have even seen posters that I respect HIGHLY use this.

What set this all off was this was brought up during a discussion of ALL TIME FAVORITE FIGHTERS!!!!!!!!!! What does where a fighter or a fan is from have to do with why you like them? NOTHING...thats what.

And dont get me wrong, if someone were to bring up that the mainstream US media severely underrates foriegn fighters....I would 100% agree. But, that does not lend credance for the most part here. And to be just as honest, the non-US posters on here are just as bad, if not worse in some cases as the aformentioned media outlets....and double that for the US posters....its rare we use this as an arguement (mostly when its something ridiculous that is said...never just as the meat of our point).

Sorry to go on a rant here, but I KNOW FOR A FACT that I am not the only US poster on here that is sick of this bullshit. I under most circumstances know my shit when it comes to this sport....I form my opinions off of what I have seen, what I have learned and what I know....not where I was born.

So, to all of you out there that seem to dip into the above-mentioned well everytime its a US vs Non-US fighter post....next time, please, do some research, form an opinion and attempt to present this opinion using actual boxing knowledge, rather than letting your nationalistic views cloud your judgement and ruin your posts...

(again, I hope we can keep this in the General Boxing Forum...it really doesnt apply anywhere else....and sorry for the rant....but this is just getting old and fucking annoying)

El Bombasto · 07-28-2007, 06:45 PM

I haven't noticed any particular animosity towards US posters in this forum, but this is a forum, and unfortunately the anonymous nature of it seems to embolden people to say some fairly offensive things. However, it's worth pointing out that the biggest A-Holes in here are all US based.

King Dan · 07-28-2007, 06:49 PM

Agree with sues2nd.

It doesn't matter though.

People feel how they feel.

If American boxing fans think European fans hype their fighters even harder to make up for something, then so be it.

sues2nd · 07-28-2007, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Kid Gorgeous

I haven't noticed any particular animosity towards US posters in this forum, but this is a forum, and unfortunately the anonymous nature of it seems to embolden people to say some fairly offensive things. However, it's worth pointing out that the biggest A-Holes in here are all US based.

Its not so much an animosity...as it is a negative outlook on.

Like any good US fighter is a media creation. Like anytime a US poster feels a US fighter would beat a non-US one....they do so, not because of careful analisys, but because they reside within US borders.

And trust me, its out there. I dont know where you are located (if its outside of the US, then it may explain why you dont see it as much...) but trust me, ITS PREVELANT!!! Its all over the place. I know many, MANY of the US posters here complain all of the time to each other about it. Its in almost every post of the like (US fighter vs non-US fighter).

And on top of it all, its hypocritical. Seeing as how, most of the time, there is never any points to correspond with it. Never any type of fact to back their opinion....but just, YOU FAVOR THE US GUY CAUSE HE IS FROM THE US!

Its getting disgusting...and trust me, I aint the only one sick of it.

El Bombasto · 07-28-2007, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sues2nd

Its not so much an animosity...as it is a negative outlook on.

Like any good US fighter is a media creation. Like anytime a US poster feels a US fighter would beat a non-US one....they do so, not because of careful analisys, but because they reside within US borders.

And trust me, its out there. I dont know where you are located (if its outside of the US, then it may explain why you dont see it as much...) but trust me, ITS PREVELANT!!! Its all over the place. I know many, MANY of the US posters here complain all of the time to each other about it. Its in almost every post of the like (US fighter vs non-US fighter).

And on top of it all, its hypocritical. Seeing as how, most of the time, there is never any points to correspond with it. Never any type of fact to back their opinion....but just, YOU FAVOR THE US GUY CAUSE HE IS FROM THE US!

Its getting disgusting...and trust me, I aint the only one sick of it.

I understand your frusteration. Usually when a poster falls back on comments like that it's a pretty good indicator that they do not have much boxing knowledge and are not worth your time. A lot of these guys are just kids looking to start flame wars. Once the conversation goes south, I just stop responding.

King Dan · 07-28-2007, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kid Gorgeous

I understand your frusteration. Usually when a poster falls back on comments like that it's a pretty good indicator that they do not have much boxing knowledge and are not worth your time. A lot of these guys are just kids looking to start flame wars. Once the conversation goes south, I just stop responding.

a.arthur.h · 07-28-2007, 07:11 PM

I haven't noticed it too much, but I've never paid much attention to anyone who is just being ignorant, I just read the next post when I realize it. You are right on the money though, where you are from does not mean anything other than where you are from. I'm from Canada, and I'm a fan of fighters who are from Samoa, Haiti, Russia, Japan, and many other places.

Where you are from doesn't matter, its the knowledge (preferably unbiased) that you possess that matters. Bringing someone's nationality into a discussion/arguement, is no better than bringing someone's race into an arguement. There are stupid and smart people everywhere, regardless of nationality.

Pimp C · 07-28-2007, 07:17 PM

Yeah I agree with the thread starter there are certain posters here who hate anything American.

Cookie · 07-28-2007, 07:18 PM

You can't moderate the quality of someone's posts. If someone thinks all US fighters are hype, or that all European fighters are bums because they don't fight in the US, then that's what they think.

Considering the only thing remotely close to a screening process here is the question "are you 13 years of age or over?" it's little surprise that there's a hefty portion of morons around.

sues2nd · 07-28-2007, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cookie

You can't moderate the quality of someone's posts. If someone thinks all US fighters are hype, or that all European fighters are bums because they don't fight in the US, then that's what they think.

Considering the only thing remotely close to a screening process here is the question "are you 13 years of age or over?" it's little surprise that there's a hefty portion of morons around.

Oh and tobkhan, what you said cant be any further from the truth....

But as for my main reason of starting thread...It wasnt to raise the quality of posters (tho I still think there should be SOME type of entrance exam or whatever for here....weed out the idiots...jk, but wouldnt it be great!!!) I think its more to bring it to light. Make it known that its getting obvious...getting ridiculous...getting annoying....

Like I said, I can think of at least 20 people (a couple NON US guys) that have either mentioned this in a post as fact or said it directly to me.

It just got to me....saying you cant have your OWN FAVORITE list from where ever the hell you want is borderline insanity.

Druid · 07-28-2007, 07:29 PM

I think this happens across the board and as a lot of sports is about supporting your local/country Team/Player it is natural that this would occur somewhat here, it is tribalism and the world would be better off without it, but to take it personally is being overly sensitive as it is cultural indoctrination and US posters are just as guilty of behaving this way.

Dekkers · 07-28-2007, 07:43 PM

I think the reality of the situation is that this bias exists both inside and outside the U.S. Americans will favour or overrate the fighters they see more of and do the opposite for fighters they see less, same with people outside the U.S.

If an American is blunt and dismissive on points made about international fighters (and vice-versa), they can expect some tit for tat and backlash, as it's human nature.

Cruiser1 · 07-28-2007, 07:45 PM

That guy Odo is the worst

I'm glad this has been brought up

Dekkers · 07-28-2007, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

Most of it comes from BoppaZoo. If a fighter is Australian he automatically wins any head to head matchup easily. He talks exclusively about Australian fighters. He said Kostya Tszyu was more likely a top 10 ATG than Whitaker and that he would KO Whitaker!

I know you and he have disagreed a lot, but you shouldn't make stuff up to make someone look bad. Especially that first point about picking any Australian fighter to win easily.

BigEars · 07-28-2007, 07:54 PM

It's both sides guys .

He's a bum he's never fought outside of Europe/you're just overating him because he's American .

You gotta take the good with the bad , and there's a lot of good and bad posters here . You just got to filtir through the crap .

07-28-2007, 06:35 PM	#1
sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... East Side Guru Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston... Posts: 5,151 vCash: 1000	The Anti-American sentiment on here... First, I want to ask all of the mods on here to PLEASE leave this in this section of the forums....it is more valid in here in this section than anywhere else on the board. Please...and thank you. Now onto the post.... Ok, let me start by saying why I am making this post. As of late on here, I have noticed a huge rise in the negativity toward anything US on this forum coming from the non-us posters. Whether it be US fighters....US events....or most notably US posters. Its become that if you favor say, Mayweather over Hatton...you do so because your from the United States. Never mind any real concrete reason. Recently I have had this said to me because of the following... 1- I felt Whitaker would beat KT. 2- I felt PRIME Holyfield would beat Sultan. 3- I feel Hopkins still poses a huge threat to Calzaghe. As I said, its like noone can even argue a point anymore without bringing this into the arguement....valid or not. Before, I would take this as admission of the fact that they couldnt bring anything concrete into the arguement....but the rise in this stupidity has made it MUCH more prevelent as of late. I have even seen posters that I respect HIGHLY use this. What set this all off was this was brought up during a discussion of ALL TIME FAVORITE FIGHTERS!!!!!!!!!! What does where a fighter or a fan is from have to do with why you like them? NOTHING...thats what. And dont get me wrong, if someone were to bring up that the mainstream US media severely underrates foriegn fighters....I would 100% agree. But, that does not lend credance for the most part here. And to be just as honest, the non-US posters on here are just as bad, if not worse in some cases as the aformentioned media outlets....and double that for the US posters....its rare we use this as an arguement (mostly when its something ridiculous that is said...never just as the meat of our point). Sorry to go on a rant here, but I KNOW FOR A FACT that I am not the only US poster on here that is sick of this bullshit. I under most circumstances know my shit when it comes to this sport....I form my opinions off of what I have seen, what I have learned and what I know....not where I was born. So, to all of you out there that seem to dip into the above-mentioned well everytime its a US vs Non-US fighter post....next time, please, do some research, form an opinion and attempt to present this opinion using actual boxing knowledge, rather than letting your nationalistic views cloud your judgement and ruin your posts... (again, I hope we can keep this in the General Boxing Forum...it really doesnt apply anywhere else....and sorry for the rant....but this is just getting old and fucking annoying)
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07-28-2007, 06:45 PM	#2
El Bombasto Ask yo momma ESB Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: Miami Posts: 1,660 vCash: 1000	Re: The Anti-American sentiment on here... I haven't noticed any particular animosity towards US posters in this forum, but this is a forum, and unfortunately the anonymous nature of it seems to embolden people to say some fairly offensive things. However, it's worth pointing out that the biggest A-Holes in here are all US based.
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07-28-2007, 06:49 PM	#3
King Dan Sugar Shane/Bad Chad ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Connecticut, USA Posts: 1,906 vCash: 75	Re: The Anti-American sentiment on here... Agree with sues2nd. It doesn't matter though. People feel how they feel. If American boxing fans think European fans hype their fighters even harder to make up for something, then so be it.
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07-28-2007, 07:11 PM	#7
a.arthur.h Original Lightning East Side Guru Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Rick's Café Posts: 5,989 vCash: 570	Re: The Anti-American sentiment on here... I haven't noticed it too much, but I've never paid much attention to anyone who is just being ignorant, I just read the next post when I realize it. You are right on the money though, where you are from does not mean anything other than where you are from. I'm from Canada, and I'm a fan of fighters who are from Samoa, Haiti, Russia, Japan, and many other places. Where you are from doesn't matter, its the knowledge (preferably unbiased) that you possess that matters. Bringing someone's nationality into a discussion/arguement, is no better than bringing someone's race into an arguement. There are stupid and smart people everywhere, regardless of nationality.
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07-28-2007, 07:17 PM	#8
Pimp C I Ain't Got No Worries East Side VIP Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 36,336 vCash: 75	Re: The Anti-American sentiment on here... Yeah I agree with the thread starter there are certain posters here who hate anything American.
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07-28-2007, 07:18 PM	#9
Cookie Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 5,884 vCash: 1000	Re: The Anti-American sentiment on here... You can't moderate the quality of someone's posts. If someone thinks all US fighters are hype, or that all European fighters are bums because they don't fight in the US, then that's what they think. Considering the only thing remotely close to a screening process here is the question "are you 13 years of age or over?" it's little surprise that there's a hefty portion of morons around.
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07-28-2007, 07:29 PM	#11
Druid Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 251 vCash: 1000	Re: The Anti-American sentiment on here... I think this happens across the board and as a lot of sports is about supporting your local/country Team/Player it is natural that this would occur somewhat here, it is tribalism and the world would be better off without it, but to take it personally is being overly sensitive as it is cultural indoctrination and US posters are just as guilty of behaving this way.
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07-28-2007, 07:43 PM	#12
Dekkers Team Bergeron ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Sydney Posts: 1,162 vCash: 1000	Re: The Anti-American sentiment on here... I think the reality of the situation is that this bias exists both inside and outside the U.S. Americans will favour or overrate the fighters they see more of and do the opposite for fighters they see less, same with people outside the U.S. If an American is blunt and dismissive on points made about international fighters (and vice-versa), they can expect some tit for tat and backlash, as it's human nature.
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07-28-2007, 07:45 PM	#13
Cruiser1 Champion Emeritus ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,751 vCash: 1000	Re: The Anti-American sentiment on here... That guy Odo is the worst I'm glad this has been brought up
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07-28-2007, 07:54 PM	#15
BigEars Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Middlesbrough via Tipperary Ireland Posts: 2,351 vCash: 1117	Re: The Anti-American sentiment on here... It's both sides guys . He's a bum he's never fought outside of Europe/you're just overating him because he's American . You gotta take the good with the bad , and there's a lot of good and bad posters here . You just got to filtir through the crap .
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